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Offline Mama ChaCha

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Confessions when you have no priest
« on: April 17, 2014, 02:15:27 PM »
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  • My son wants to know what is to be done about confession when no priest can be found.

    I have no idea what to tell him and because assisting at mass is something that is difficult for us, it is important for him to know what he should do.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."


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    « Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 02:35:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    My son wants to know what is to be done about confession when no priest can be found.

    I have no idea what to tell him and because assisting at mass is something that is difficult for us, it is important for him to know what he should do.


    He must make an act of contrition when he is conscious of any mortal sin.

    + "O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended thee, and I detest my sins,
    because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell,
    but most of all because they offend thee my God,
    who art all good and deserving of all of my love,
     and I firmly resolve to do penance, to confess my sins, and amend my life
    . Amen" +

    But moreover, his contrition must be genuine.
    Genuine contrition is having the firm resolve never to sin again.
    If he says this and is genuine, then he is back in a state of grace, BUT HE MUST HAVE THE INTENTION OF GOING TO CONFESSION WHEN NEXT AVAILABLE.

    We cannot consider sin as something acceptable to practice every now and then.
    It is a curse. It must be hated.

    I have found the best way to avoid sin is to think that you have the POWER to sin.
    You have the power.
    If you sin you have used that power and it is gone, and you get your miserable reward.
    If you do not sin, you keep your power, and keep the state of grace.

    You should find a priest who you know is ordained in the old rite for your family to confess to. It does not matter if he says the new mass, or is retired. He has the power to absolve sins. Sometimes I have confessed to a retired bishop. I go to his house. If he does not answer the door I knock on his window. I dont take no confession for an answer if in a state of mortal sin.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 17, 2014, 02:39:51 PM »
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  • I also have a list of retired or elderly, old rite ordained priests for confessions in my area. Traditional priests aren't always available. Many also have the Eastern rites available in many locations.

    Otherwise, one would just try to make a perfect act of contrition, and pray for aid to get to confession as soon as possible.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 17, 2014, 02:45:09 PM »
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  • See the section on contrition. One must pray for the grace to make an act of perfect contrition.

    One should make an act of contrition as soon as one can after every sin, of whatever gravity, and always pray to make an act of perfect contrition.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    « Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014, 02:58:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    My son wants to know what is to be done about confession when no priest can be found.

    I have no idea what to tell him and because assisting at mass is something that is difficult for us, it is important for him to know what he should do.


    1.Keep track of mass schedules SSPX and CMRI and good independent priests that may be in your area.  You can often find out about good independent priests online through a google search.  Most of these priests are former SSPX so they have good training.

    2.  Check to see if there are any Eastern rite Catholic Churches in your area.  If they are in your area, investigate them, without your children present to see if the priest(s) is still a Catholic.  Many Eastern rite priests live in a bubble of Catholicism and are still very much validly ordained Catholic priests.

    But, with that said, other Eastern Catholic priests have joined the Vatican II revolution so you need to be careful and discerning.  Some things to look for:  does the eastern rite church engage in ecuмenical prayer and joint services with local "orthodox" schismatics, do they mix Novus Ordo songs with their rite, do they use altar girls or women lectors, do they omit the Filioque from the creed, does the priest give liberal or modernist sermons, etc.  

    I would recommend that if you are going to look into an eastern rite Catholic Church, to first use the internet, and then if it appears safe, go without your children to make a better assessment, without risking scandal to your children.

    3.  Find out the names of diocesan and religious priests ordained prior to the imposition of the Paul VI rite, (those ordained prior to April 6, 1969).  Many of these old priests still have the Catholic Faith, but as with the eastern rite priests, the same rule applies.  

    Some questions to use when investigating:  does the priest still think and act like a Catholic priest, and only remain united to the Conciliar church because he believes he must be obedient to those he considers the lawful authorities?  Does he still from all appearances have the Catholic Faith?  Does he use the correct form for the sacrament?  Does he say and do things which indicate that he is part of the revolution, heretical or modernist statements, etc.

    I know that this is a very annoying cross to have to do all this work when in former times you could show up at a church at the scheduled confession time and that would be it.  

    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    « Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014, 03:24:00 PM »
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  • Thank you all so much!

    It has weighed heavily on his conscience not to know what to do. I think I will teach him to make an act of contrition during his nightly examination of conscience.  

    As I've said before, it is our son who brought us to tradition because he insists that the Latin Mass is the only real mass. He says the conciliar mass feels unsafe to him, so I have to admit that I am still feeling my way in the dark in a lot of ways.

    Thank you Ambrose for the tips!

     I'm not sure how to go about locating a local priest from the old rite, but I will see what I can find.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #6 on: April 17, 2014, 03:48:45 PM »
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  • Just ask a priest "were you ordained in the Tridentine rite"?

    OR "when were you ordained?" which is easier.

    If they say a year before vatican 2, or probably even up to 1969, then they are old rite.
    Someone can clarify what year the ordination rite was changed.

    In an emergency, like near death, go to any priest. The church will forgive in extraordinary situation.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 17, 2014, 03:54:32 PM »
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    Thank you all so much!

    It has weighed heavily on his conscience not to know what to do. I think I will teach him to make an act of contrition during his nightly examination of conscience.  

    As I've said before, it is our son who brought us to tradition because he insists that the Latin Mass is the only real mass. He says the conciliar mass feels unsafe to him, so I have to admit that I am still feeling my way in the dark in a lot of ways.

    Thank you Ambrose for the tips!

     I'm not sure how to go about locating a local priest from the old rite, but I will see what I can find.


    I use a directory, it has the ordination dates of all living priests in the US. I got it used cheap because it was an older 2007 edition. I'm more than happy to look things up for people if they have a question about a specific priest.

    This way, I don't have to reveal myself or my stance, I can just slip in, get the sacrament and leave.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014, 05:04:22 PM »
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  • Where can I find a directory?
    When I google retired priests in my area, all I get back is a listing of sex offenders in my diocese...
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #9 on: April 17, 2014, 08:40:23 PM »
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    Where can I find a directory?
    When I google retired priests in my area, all I get back is a listing of sex offenders in my diocese...


    I don't think it is online, it is a big one volume book, some years appear to be two volumes, but this is like the one I have: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=12286789655&searchurl=bsi%3D0%26amp%3Bds%3D30%26amp%3Btn%3Dofficial%2Bcatholic%2Bdirectory%2Banno%2Bdomini

    Just Google or look up "Official Catholic Directory" from a used book seller, like ABE.  It doesn't really matter which year you get, if they have moved, you can usually still find them by last name, sometimes you might need to know middle initial for common names. Prices range from $3 to about $20, depending on year. Our 2007 edition works fine for us.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 17, 2014, 09:04:40 PM »
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  • How do you investigate diocesan priest without attending service there? Do you make an appointment with the parish secretary? What do you say it's about?


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    « Reply #11 on: April 17, 2014, 09:39:33 PM »
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    How do you investigate diocesan priest without attending service there? Do you make an appointment with the parish secretary? What do you say it's about?


    Different ways. Google, parish website, asking around, and trial and error. Sometimes I've just gone to confession to them, and really, I'm just looking for absolution and the correct form, if they say something silly in giving advice, I just politely disregard-- he can't see me anyways. If he is truly, just confused and indoctrinated but still a Catholic he will use the correct form, albeit in English. If he uses the incorrect form, I would just not go back and I'd make another confession at another time like that one never happened. I've actually found some wonderful priests tucked away in their 70s, 80s, 90s here and there, I prefer them to traditional priests sometimes.

    If I need spiritual advice, I normally a traditional priest, a moral theology manual, or a good book, I don't bring it up in confession.