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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2020, 05:12:49 PM »
Sorry, I did miss that. Yes, Pope Leo X is mentioned there.

Read carefully: "The Jєωιѕн writer Cecil Roth speaks abundantly in his work "Storia del Populo Hebraico' of the condemning of the 'Tamud" through Pope Gregor IX and his successors up to Pope Leo X in the XVIth century…."

The condemnations occurred until Pope Leo X who approved and patronized the most ornate тαℓмυd ever.

Your own reference corroborates the indictment of Pope Leo X.


Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2020, 05:53:49 PM »
MO is that, while the diction is bad, it means to INCLUDE Pope Leo X :popcorn:

More later...


Offline Mark 79

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Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2020, 07:04:02 PM »
MO is that, while the diction is bad, it means to INCLUDE Pope Leo X :popcorn:

More later...

Procrustean. You cannot legitimately parse the sentence that way.

If "Maurice" meant to include Pope Leo X as one condemning the тαℓмυd, the sentence would read: "The Jєωιѕн writer Cecil Roth speaks abundantly in his work "Storia del Populo Hebraico' of the condemning of the 'Tamud" from Pope Gregor IX through Pope Leo X in the XVIth century…."

Instead "Maurice" makes a distinction between Pope Leo X and his predecessors: "The Jєωιѕн writer Cecil Roth speaks abundantly in his work "Storia del Populo Hebraico' of the condemning of the 'Tamud" through Pope Gregor IX and his successors up to Pope Leo X in the XVIth century…."  The condemnations stopped at Pope Leo X in the 16th century.

You might argue that Pope Leo X was a hypocrite (he wouldn't be the first papal hypocrite) who publicly condemned the тαℓмυd while patronizing the publication of the most ornate тαℓмυd ever.

I simply argue that Pope Leo X was among those who attempted to "baptize" the тαℓмυd (and Kabbala).

And you still have not supplied any verifiable evidence that the тαℓмυd was still, if ever, on the Index in the pontificate of Pius XII.

This dispute arose with Meg insisting (without any support but her feelings) I should not be reading the тαℓмυd, so let's not get lost in the weeds about Leo X. Can you adduce any Index or canonical proscription applicable to me in 2020 A.D.?

Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2020, 07:24:18 PM »
Unless I am mistaken, Mark79 has prev trashed not only Pope Leo X( albeit not one of our greatest Popes) but Gregory IX as well w/ respect to тαℓмυd.

Pinay then, refutes Mark w/ respect to Pope Gregory as well as Leo X. What probably happened with the later Pope is the to & through got lost in the translation :popcorn:

Offline Mark 79

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Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2020, 07:37:28 PM »
Are you taking stylistic cues from Poche?

Quote and link my alleged criticism of Gregory IX verbatim or be known as "mistaken."

Can you adduce any Index or canonical proscription applicable to me in 2020 A.D.?