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Offline LaramieHirsch

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Trump's assassination of Soleimani is good
« on: January 12, 2020, 04:22:55 AM »
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    • Trump: Warmongering Or 4D Chess?

    So, as usual for this presidency, the Commander-in-Chief has done something shocking, 48 hours have passed, nothing catastrophic happened, and the wide world is moving on. The event becomes a forgotten nothingburger. Yes, Trump serves the Zionists. Of course he does. But he also tries to make good on his promises: namely, keeping the U.S. out of “forever wars. ” Does anyone remember Trump lobbing missiles into Syria? No. Before this month, was anyone in the United States still talking about Trump’s 2018 abandonment of the Iranian nuclear deal? No. Will anyone remember that our president ordered the attack against an Iranian commander only shortly after learning that this same commander —a man already responsible for at least 600 American deaths—was orchestrating attacks against our embassies? No, nobody will remember that either.
    Again, make no mistake: Trump most definitely serves the interests of the Zionists. I’ve discussed this before in May of 2018. But to what extent? Is he willing to drag Americans into a fruitless war with Persia for his Jєωιѕн friends? Or is his commitment to the American people greater than that to Netanyahu?
    As I said last week, there are many, even on the Right, who decry our president’s attack against this American-killing Iranian commander. Yet doesn’t the United States have a right to exercise justified retaliation upon killers of U.S. citizens? Aren’t there consequences for when an enemy commander attacks an embassy? Or are American lives cheap and unworthy of support from their own government?
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    Iran does not want war with the United States. And Trump wants no war with Iran. But Iran made a mistake in its extrapolation from that truth. Assuming that because Trump did not want war, he would recoil from a fight, Soleimani believed he could kill Americans with impunity, as long as his fingerprints were not on the murder weapon.
    And what on Earth is all this whining about from the so-called Right? Haven’t they learned that nothing is as it seems with President Trump? Have not the people on the Right figured out that Trump does not act for the reasons you think he’s acting? There is always more going on behind the scenes than we have access to. This president does not operate on a 24-hour news cycle. The political and military policies of a government are not there to fulfill people’s desire for Internet-based dopamine impulses.
    Not only was the killing of Qassem Soleimani justified and called for, but it also sets some things in motion. There are outcomes that could come from this that a short-term-memory populace are not taking into consideration. Yes, it is unnerving to tune in to a news channel and read or hear about some kind of sudden military action taking place on behalf of the U.S. President. But discipline and self control can prevent us from looking like fools later on down the line.
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    Another thing that became really evident is the the knee-jerk anti-Americanism of the Alt-Right—the way that they were all just so passionate in condemning the United States for assassinating somebody who David Petraeus said played a big role in the deaths of 600 American servicemen and thousands injuries to thousands of others. But the knee-jerk impulses of the American Right are anti-American and had never been more blindingly obvious.
    Consider how, as Pat Buchanan has recently discussed, that the killing of this Iranian commander has drawn the ire of many officials in Iraq. Iraq’s parliament has voted to expel all U.S. troops. This is absolutely great news, because the American people also want their troops to return to the States, and preferably have them stationed on the Southern Border to fight Mexican drug cartels. By taking out Soleimani, the Iraqis are able to now have a reason to call for our expulsion, the Iranians are given an excuse to launch harmless missiles and appear tough, and the American people are able to demand that we pull out. This is a grand occasion.
    But wait! There’s more!
    While it is true that there appear to be protests in Iran that denounce the United States for attacking an Iranian military leader, the truth is that those protests are staged and government sanctioned. In truth, the Iranian people have been emboldened to protest against their own corrupt government. Iranians are gathering together and chanting: “Soleimani was a murderer” and “Our enemy is right here!”
    Meanwhile, the Israelis have gotten their pound of flesh from Trump’s swaggering gesture. Of course. But they’re also being called out as President Trump’s puppetmaster. Benjamin Netanyahu had to come out and state that Soleimani’s assassination was an American event, not an Israeli event. Furthermore, he stated that Israel was not involved. And yet, Haaretz is reporting today that Israeli intel enabled American forces to take out Soleimani. So, Netanyahu now has egg on his face.
    As for the Iranian regime, they’ve only drawn more fire upon themselves. Their warmongering and saber rattling estranges them from the rest of the world. Their missile attacks appear harmless. And the recent shooting down of a Ukranian airplane makes the regime look incompetent.
    Killing Soleimani was a win-win for all the right people, and only this current U.S. president had the guts to do something like this. Could a war with Iran break out? Yes, it is possible. But this act of justice on the part of President Trump currently appears to have opened up a lot of positive outcomes.

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    Offline klasG4e

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    Re: Trump's assassination of Soleimani is good
    « Reply #1 on: January 12, 2020, 07:31:44 AM »
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: Trump's assassination of Soleimani is good
    « Reply #2 on: January 12, 2020, 09:21:18 AM »
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    • A very good assessment of the situation, Laramie.

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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Trump's assassination of Soleimani is good
    « Reply #3 on: January 12, 2020, 09:39:28 AM »
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Trump's assassination of Soleimani is good
    « Reply #4 on: January 12, 2020, 10:55:03 AM »
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    • There are many problems with justifying this as a just military action.

    Imagine for a second that Russia (or some other enemy) had military bases all over Canada and Mexico that were engaged in operations threatening our security and often killing our citizens.  Perhaps they are arming and funding the Mexican drug cartels that in turn are killing our citizens.  [These are analogous to what we are dong over there.]  Now our military leaders decide to attack some of these forces.  So then Russia decides to αssαssιnαtҽ our top military leader.  We then strike back and bomb some of their military bases.  Who's in the wrong and who is in the right?

    Countless innocents have been killed as a result of our presence in the Middle East.  So is it wrong for the Iranians to view us as unjust aggressors?  What are we doing over there?  Oh, we're trying to prevent terrorism?  Well, had we not been over there in the first place mucking around, there would be no terrorism.  They don't merely "hate us for our freedom" (as W used to claim).  We're over there 1) because we're Israel's lap dog and 2) for oil and money.  In addition to our own direct actions, how many people have had family members killed by weaponry with "made in the USA" on the side?  How many of the billions we send to Israel every year are used to slaughter and displace Palestinians?  Trump bragged in his address the morning after Iran's "retaliation" about how are are no longer dependent on foreign oil.  So it's not even a national security issue not to have access to Middle Eastern oil.  Even then, Venezuela has more 10-15% more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia (the most in the world).  Of course, the people of that country are impoverished (but that's another story).

    In no way is the United States "in the right" here.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: Trump's assassination of Soleimani is good
    « Reply #5 on: January 12, 2020, 12:46:47 PM »
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    • We are not privy to all of the facts.

    For all we know, and it's quite likely, that Soleimani was not legitimate per se, but was a Deep State operative or working closely with the Deep State.

    It is perfectly just to put traitors and conspirators to death -- for the sake of the American AS WELL AS the Iranian people. If the good of the American AND Iranian people are both at stake, then YES, most certainly such an assassination would be justified.

    The fact that no war has broken out between Iran and the United States shows that OBVIOUSLY there is something the average, superficial observer is "just not getting". Apparently, the superficial appearances are NOT telling the whole story.

    Iran lobbed a few old missiles and purposely missed our soldiers. Trump hasn't sent so much as a single bottle rocket into Iran since. The conflict cooled off as fast as it heated up. Everyone's expectations were COMPLETELY thrown off. That's not the war-mongering that "certain Trads" have been calling for.

    +1 for the Trump fans
    ...and yet another miss for the anti-Trump crowd

    But some of us Trump fans are sick of being right all the time. So much winning, it becomes unbearable after a while :)
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