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Ooops!/Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2019, 06:00:19 PM »

The official, preferred translation used by most Traditional Catholics, and therefore CathInfo as well, is the Challoner revision of the Douay-Rheims translation (also acceptable: the original Douay-Rheims).  In any disputes about the material words of Scripture, recourse must be made to this slavishly-faithful-to-the-original English translation, or the Latin Vulgate itself.

I fear that our fearless owner-moderator suffered a brief brain-cramp. His endorsement for the "original Douay-Rheims" as I faithfully quoted it, should instead have been "slavishly-faithful-to-the-original Latin of the Vulgate itself".  I'm sure that he would agree, whenever he can unwind from his family's Christmas rush".

Re: Ooops!/Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2019, 06:05:04 PM »
I fear that our fearless owner-moderator suffered a brief brain-cramp. His praise for the "original Douay-Rheims" as I faithfully quoted it, should instead have been "slavishly-faithful-to-the-original Latin of the of the Vulgate itself".
No, he was referring to the English translation as being slavishly faithful to the original Latin Vulgate.  The syntax was a bit confusing, but I understood exactly what he was saying.  The DRV feels a bit "clunky" sometimes precisely for this reason --- it doesn't "flow" as well as the Latin does, but the translators opted for fidelity over elegance.


Ooops/Re: Ooops!/Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2019, 07:00:36 PM »

In any disputes about the material words of Scripture, recourse must be made to this slavishly-faithful-to-the-original▓English translation, or the Latin Vulgate itself.


No, he was referring to the English translation as being slavishly faithful to the original Latin Vulgate.  The syntax was a bit confusing, but I understood exactly what he was saying.

Sigh.  It appears that the "brain-cramp" was my own.  I've done my due diligence by refreshing the Web page containg the original posting by ‘Matthew’.  Amazing what syntactic difference is made by the presence or absence of the tiny mark known as the hyphen (its absence signified above by ‘▓English’).
• Its presence makes the disputed phrase "original-English", which is incorrect, but that's how I read it, despite knowing fully well that none of the New Testament was "original[ly]" written in English.
• Its absence makes the phrase "slavishly-faithful-to-the-original", which as a substantive phrase, implies the Vulgate, and modifies "English translation" which is, of course, what ‘Matthew’ intended.

Sooo, mea culpa.  And I wish you & yours a Merry Feast of, ironically, St. John the Evangelist.

Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2019, 11:50:13 PM »
1. Mis-quoting Scripture
Scripture itself must NOT be twisted to win an argument, look better, save face, defend yourself, or even to defend someone else -- even someone as important as the Pope. One cannot do evil that good might come from it. That is basic Catholic moral theology.

Matthew and Mark79 are right. I did make a mistake in quoting from Matthew. I apologize.
 

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Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2019, 03:04:47 AM »
1. Mis-quoting Scripture
Scripture itself must NOT be twisted to win an argument, look better, save face, defend yourself, or even to defend someone else -- even someone as important as the Pope. One cannot do evil that good might come from it. That is basic Catholic moral theology.

Matthew and Mark79 are right. I did make a mistake in quoting from Matthew. I apologize.

If you made a mistake, singular, why did you defend the "mistake" with additional "mistakes"?

a) pretending that your initial quote "mistake" was just an inference that the Gates of Hell didn't prevail against Peter personally:
https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/novus-ordo-hs-student-dilemma/msg680060/#msg680060

b) pretending that your "mistake" was “prudential silence,” as if words are any kind of “silence”:
https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/advice-concerning-detraction/msg679757/#msg679757

c) continuing to pretend that there is no difference between “you” and “it”:
https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/friday-or-not-whats-your-dinner/msg680141/#msg680141

And what about all those other lies?

d) Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that

e) Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

f) Jorge has “the same view” on the Jews as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367

g) Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion" in the allocution you cited  https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784

And those are just your recent lies from the last month or so. What about all your lies from the last 7 years?

What is your problem?

What will you do to solve your problem?