Author Topic: Communisim Infiltration in the Church - Well No Brainer! (Read 2675 times)

trickster · « **on:** July 13, 2014, 06:39:27 PM »

I have made my way probably through half of the 1025 (a book written by a Communist who infiltrated the church as a spy priest of sorts), but I ave also read the reviews. My sense so far is that whether the book is a great communist revelation or a good piece of fictional; I don't think it takes too much brains to realize that it is to the communist interest to influence (and infiltrate) the church. That is a reasonable assumption that does not require a conspiracy element.

Having said that, communism won't prevail over the church and it cannot be feared. Now liberal ideas in my mind are not necessarily bad; the church had to open up the way it did since the early 60s. The church had never witness two world wars and the ability to destroy humanity and earth prior to any time in history...that is at least the sense of some of the Vatican Council fathers that based the idea that change of approach, style was necessary. I am not sure if communism alone can be given the credit on that alone.

I think the Soviet Union had a lot of good ideas around five year plans, and the role of central governance (to a great degree this is how Canada operates), the idea that every citizen - in theory at least - should have access to the basics is essentially good. It did not work at the state level, but it does work in every nation's military and in every monastery in existence.

The problem of course is that the communism of the early days was out to destroy people's relationship to God. I am not so sure if this remains the communist agenda, given the returned freedom in Russia and other former Soviet Union countries.

I'd be interested in your sense of the emerging presence of Christianity in formerly communist worlds. .... and how do you see JP II in relation to communism..

Trickster
Bruce Ferguson

songbird · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2014, 06:45:52 PM »

Point: What GOD has made, is true. What is true, needs no change!! One plus One is two. True. Now, how does man come to think that truth needs change?! You can not revise, renew, take away, change a truth. Truth is Truth. But that is what communism is, is it not? A way of twisting ones brain to think it is possible to change truth. If one thinks that that is possible, then their mind is warped.

glaston · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2014, 09:06:47 PM »

Quote from: songbird

Point: What GOD has made, is true. What is true, needs no change!! One plus One is two. True. Now, how does man come to think that truth needs change?! You can not revise, renew, take away, change a truth. Truth is Truth. But that is what communism is, is it not? A way of twisting ones brain to think it is possible to change truth. If one thinks that that is possible, then their mind is warped.

That is exactly why vile тαℓмυd Jєω Stalin had Millions dragged off to Gulags to be 'reducated' - mind twisted into his warped, satanic, self imposed, commie 'truths'

What was funny, after abolishing Orthodox church and turning churches into factory units etc
- In latter stages of rule the Jєω failure was forced to reintroduce religious Orthodox services to try to manipulate his appeal/popularity to ordinary Russians.(They had gone underground to pray and continue services)

We are being led into this same satanic, Marxist World again, with 5th column "Common Purpose" elitists and their manipulated, Kabbalist moron Masonic bruvverhoods leading the way тαℓмυd Jєωs once again, having infiltrated all levels of power and Govt control!

songbird · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2014, 09:29:54 PM »

what you say is true and sad. The bible says it is to be expected. Our trials and tribulations for the sins of the world. We pray that we may get through it to heaven.

trickster · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2014, 11:40:28 PM »

Quote from: songbird

Point: What GOD has made, is true. What is true, needs no change!! One plus One is two. True. Now, how does man come to think that truth needs change?! You can not revise, renew, take away, change a truth. Truth is Truth. But that is what communism is, is it not? A way of twisting ones brain to think it is possible to change truth. If one thinks that that is possible, then their mind is warped.

I agree with you Songbird! You know we have a great pope in JP II who lived in Poland under both the nαzιs and the Communists and he did so much wonderful work echoing your points.

Bruce

trickster · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2014, 11:44:00 PM »

Quote from: glaston

Quote from: songbird
Point: What GOD has made, is true. What is true, needs no change!! One plus One is two. True. Now, how does man come to think that truth needs change?! You can not revise, renew, take away, change a truth. Truth is Truth. But that is what communism is, is it not? A way of twisting ones brain to think it is possible to change truth. If one thinks that that is possible, then their mind is warped.

That is exactly why vile тαℓмυd Jєω Stalin had Millions dragged off to Gulags to be 'reducated' - mind twisted into his warped, satanic, self imposed, commie 'truths'

What was funny, after abolishing Orthodox church and turning churches into factory units etc
- In latter stages of rule the Jєω failure was forced to reintroduce religious Orthodox services to try to manipulate his appeal/popularity to ordinary Russians.(They had gone underground to pray and continue services)

We are being led into this same satanic, Marxist World again, with 5th column "Common Purpose" elitists and their manipulated, Kabbalist moron Masonic bruvverhoods leading the way тαℓмυd Jєωs once again, having infiltrated all levels of power and Govt control!

Glaston, I am sorry but I am not getting your points. I am sure they are well thought out but when you put so much together, it is difficult for those of us who don't have any background in what you are saying.

My sense of you as an example is that these are very racist ideas that you are talking about; but since you haven't been banned, I guess you are not being racist....I look forward to you simplifying it for me an/or give me some background for your opinons.

Take car

Bruce

stbrighidswell · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2014, 08:00:19 AM »

When I read that book my own feeling at the end of the book was that it was fictional, it had the tragic circuмstances at the beginning with his parents, then the evil uncle, the spy and then the love story.

But apparently Bella dodd testified to the senate in the US to co-ordinating the infiltration of 1000 communist men to seminaries for the purpose of these to rise to top positions and subvert the Church from within

songbird · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2014, 11:53:50 AM »

Trickster has 9 critics and no likers, therefore he must be a troll, give him no more attention.

glaston · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2014, 11:55:35 AM »

Lenin-Stalin both Jєωs (like the Gulag camp commanders)
Killed 150 million Russians during their lifetime.(Plus the Tzar and family for refusing Rothschild Banking in Russia)

Why was battle of Stalingrad turned into a stalemate which killed another 2+ million?
Stalin told officer class it had to be held at all cost and threw in waves of ordinary troops (brave Orthodox christians) like confetti to die under the bombers and artillery.

As the Teutonic attrition came to a close the jerries were told by Rothschild Jєω Hitler to hold on - no surrender, no matter what.
Fighting went on till they were surrounded and overrun.

Guess where Stalingrad is?

On the Volga, right at heart of old Khazaria - the old αѕнкenαzι Jєω 'homeland'

The Russkies took out the Khazars in 12C because they were constantly at war with/aggravating their neighbours! (Remind you of Israel?)

This was Jєω revenge 2+million Stalingrad + 150 million exterminated in Gulag/Siberia + today Russian Billionaire Oligarchs - over 90% are false тαℓмυd mongolian Jєωs stealing all the wealth of Russia!

glaston · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2014, 12:04:56 PM »

Quote from: stbrighidswell

When I read that book my own feeling at the end of the book was that it was fictional, it had the tragic circuмstances at the beginning with his parents, then the evil uncle, the spy and then the love story.

But apparently Bella dodd testified to the senate in the US to co-ordinating the infiltration of 1000 communist men to seminaries for the purpose of these to rise to top positions and subvert the Church from within

Only today, the protestant -Jєω leader of Anglicans, Archbishop of Canterbury Welby, has created & overseen a schism in Anglican church, as they have now allowed women Bishops!

Lighthouse · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2014, 04:45:27 PM »

Quote from: songbird

Trickster has 9 critics and no likers, therefore he must be a troll, give him no more attention.

But, Songbird, he just complimented you by saying how much you think like JPII. :roll-laugh1:

I agree with you about the troll, but he's here on mission of evangelization under the guise of being polite and just searching for information. Just like VatII's periti, he can show how anything is just a different way of expressing an endlessly assimilating truth.

trickster · « **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2014, 05:11:55 PM »

Quote from: stbrighidswell

When I read that book my own feeling at the end of the book was that it was fictional, it had the tragic circuмstances at the beginning with his parents, then the evil uncle, the spy and then the love story.

But apparently Bella dodd testified to the senate in the US to co-ordinating the infiltration of 1000 communist men to seminaries for the purpose of these to rise to top positions and subvert the Church from within

Well stbrididswell, you know my sense is that - even without the book - communist infiltration makes sense, I think that it is not only likely but real and a reality that does not require any conspiracy theory.

My questions and reflections are more about assessing the initial damages, in Vatican II the Communists were very strong, but what was the actual practice in relation to religions at the time (I think they were still illegal), but given that communism has fall, I am assuming that as new generations of bishops, cardinals and popes think about the liberal ideas of Vatican II, they begin to be seen in light of the Holy Spirit over the years and are slowly changing to be doctrine that is more in conversation with the 2000 years of tradition and history.

It is actually the Mason's that may cause me more thoughts...given that there are some 5 million I think in North America alone and that the metaphysics of the group is troubling. But I am just at the initial stages of informing myself about the Freemason paradigm.

Take care...and I tend to see things similar to you in tems of the book 1025.

Bruce Ferguson
Trickster

trickster · « **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2014, 05:16:15 PM »

Quote from: songbird

Trickster has 9 critics and no likers, therefore he must be a troll, give him no more attention.

That's an old song and dance routine Songbird. I challenge you to review all my postings and see if there is any dishonesty in my postings. I am asking authentic questions, sharing thoughts in a good way, and being totally honest and open about who I am. I am not playing games, so I am sorry that you feel the way you do, but you are in charge of your own feelings. So we can agree to disagree and go on our separate paths or we can talk together and have the most wonderful conversation where we both benefit from the gift of the other, the gift that God made you is what you would be denying me and that is sad. I do not deny you the gifts that God gave me, they are always there for you.

Bruce Ferguson
trickster

trickster · « **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2014, 05:24:19 PM »

Quote from: glaston

Lenin-Stalin both Jєωs (like the Gulag camp commanders)
Killed 150 million Russians during their lifetime.(Plus the Tzar and family for refusing Rothschild Banking in Russia)

Why was battle of Stalingrad turned into a stalemate which killed another 2+ million?
Stalin told officer class it had to be held at all cost and threw in waves of ordinary troops (brave Orthodox christians) like confetti to die under the bombers and artillery.

As the Teutonic attrition came to a close the jerries were told by Rothschild Jєω Hitler to hold on - no surrender, no matter what.
Fighting went on till they were surrounded and overrun.

Guess where Stalingrad is?

On the Volga, right at heart of old Khazaria - the old αѕнкenαzι Jєω 'homeland'

The Russkies took out the Khazars in 12C because they were constantly at war with/aggravating their neighbours! (Remind you of Israel?)

This was Jєω revenge 2+million Stalingrad + 150 million exterminated in Gulag/Siberia + today Russian Billionaire Oligarchs - over 90% are false тαℓмυd mongolian Jєωs stealing all the wealth of Russia!

Glaston, it sounds like you have done extensive research on the role of the Jєωιѕн people over the milleniums. Have you written a book on this, you should. If these are facts, then you should lay them out systematically and with the advice of a team of fellow writers.

No one should be scared of the truth, even if that truth deconstructs, the side of history's winners (and we know that history is constructed by the victorius - spelling?). I am aboriginal so I understand this fact well.

So with the knowledge you have, you should disrupt and deconstruct what society says is the facts. Your arguements need to be well weaved together because your arguement sound very racist...and I am not sure if you mean them to be.

Racism - because it justifies persecution or mistruths, or special priveleges - is wrong and must not be tolerated in our day and age. All peoples, regardless of their racial background need equal access to live the full dignity of their lives and that is authentic Catholic teaching..the dignity of our lives.

anyways, just some thoughts...

Bruce Ferguson
trickster

Matto · « **Reply #14 on:** July 14, 2014, 05:28:50 PM »

Quote from: trickster

Racism - because it justifies persecution or mistruths, or special priveleges - is wrong and must not be tolerated in our day and age. All peoples, regardless of their racial background need equal access to live the full dignity of their lives and that is authentic Catholic teaching..the dignity of our lives.

anyways, just some thoughts...

Bruce Ferguson
trickster

I think racism is normal. I think most people prefer to be around people like themselves. It is only wrong to the politically correct.