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Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 10, 2012, 04:53:43 PM
Tomorrow is the Big Day for a lot of Americans who would like to remember
the victims of 9-11-2001. I would caution others not to say or do anything
that would take away from their sentiment of respect for the enormous loss of
life on that tragic day. The reason I say this is they would not understand, and
they would then be turned away from whatever else you have to say, because
then they have been conditioned to respond with revulsion to such "intolerant"
attitude -- you would be committing a most grave and uncharitable error,
according to that doctrine which they have accepted..

However, there are a few issues of concern.

When Holy Mother Church commemorates the death of someone, it is traditionally
the death of a Catholic. We pray, "...and may the souls of all the Faithful Departed,
through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen."

The Church calendar has many martyrs and saints, the day of their death being  
the day that their names are recalled, and their lives, too. The purpose is to recall
how they kept the Faith to their last living moment, which is our primary objective
in this life, to "persevere to the end" so as to be saved. (Cf. Matt. xxiv. 13)

The Church has the month of November set aside for "holy souls," generally in
reference to the Holy Souls in Purgatory. But the existence of Purgatory is denied
not only by atheists, but also by Protestants. One could say that this is a common
heresy of all non-Catholics. November 1st is the Feast of All Saints, or All Saints'
Day, and November 2nd is All Souls' Day, or the Feast of All Souls (of the faithful
departed). Curiously, the day that precedes these two days is the one that
Lutherans primarily observe (Luther's Wittenburg Chapel Door-nailing
commemoration day) and that pagans, wiccans and satanist really delve into,
otherwise known as Halloween in popular American culture. It has been described
as "the day when the veil, that separates our world from the spirit world, is the
thinnest, the day when incantations and "sacrifices" to the Evil One are most
effective.

A lot of people died on 9-11, and some of them were Catholics. Some of them
were military personnel. But most of them were civilians and non-Catholics. That
does not take away from the tragedy of their untimely end, but we as Catholics
should be wary of getting caught up in the frenzy of worldliness that surrounds
this day of commemoration.

There is specifically one day in the National Calendar that is set aside as a
day of remembering the dead in America, and that is Memorial Day which
commemorates those who died while serving in the US Armed Forces. It is held
now on the last Monday of May. The other day of this type is Veterans Day (no
apostrophe) which honors both the living and the dead veterans of the US armed
forces. Neither of these days commemorates civilians who died as a result of
some kind of war, attack, or "terrorist" action, or whatever.

It seems to me that there is a growing trend to borrow from the Church this
tradition of commemorating the deceased, but the secular view is always focused
not on how the deceased preserved the True Faith "to the end," but rather is
focused on the lives of the deceased: how they were nice people. This theme is
now being imported into the funerals of Novus Ordo services, when they have
eulogies and other commemorative displays of sentimentality. These things were
unheard of in Traditional Catholicism before Vatican II. We always had Requiem
Masses for the sole purpose of praying for the repose of the soul of the faithful
departed.

From a Catholic perspective, it should become obvious that this change in
social norms is part of  move toward a One World Religion, where all "faiths"
are equal in the sight of "the higher power," or God, if you so prefer. What about
atheists? Their preference for denial of God's existence would be protected by
calling it the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr instead of One World Religion. They would be
instructed that if they want to be respected, they have to reciprocate by first
respecting the faith of others who believe in God, because it's their right to do
so under freedom of religion. That way, we can all get along. And there will be
peace. Or so the theory goes.

The prototype for this new push is given by John Paul II and Benedict XVI in
the three Assisi gatherings, Assisi I, II and III. It was at the last of these, held
just a year ago, when a representative of the world's atheists was given the
microphone to address the assembly, and to share in the mutual admiration of
the believers with the non-believers, a sort of specialty of B16, since this falls
under the general category of the denial of the principle of non-contradiction,
which he embraces with open arms. I suspect that's why he did poorly in his
seminary days when he had to "study" Thomistic Philosophy.

But I digress.

The topic of this thread is links to sites that show material for general consumption
explaining what is known about what happened on September 11th, 2001.

It would be good for us to give this a moment's thought before the inevitable
media onslaught occurs tomorrow on 9-11, for we ought to be aware of what is
available, and we should be sympathetic to the emotional reality of others with
whom we will interface tomorrow. Remember that  they have largely been
conditioned to consider that anyone who thinks that "9-11 was an inside job" is
a "conspiracy nut" or just not mentally well.

It seems to me that the only way this could have been pulled off is by the power
of the devil in the highest places, as St. Paul said:

 12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places. (Eph. vi. 12)

It is one of the "signs of the times," one of the portents of the last days.



Link to site, www.911weknow.com  (http://www.911weknow.com/) contains
a video of Ron Paul criticizing TSA procedures.


Other sites to look at are linked here (http://www.catholicactionresourcecenter.com/apps/links/).


Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth (http://www.ae911truth.org/)


Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: alaric on September 10, 2012, 05:02:01 PM
911 has morphed into  a religion, like the h0Ɩ0cαųst ™.

You can not question the offical party line.

It is sacrilege.
Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 10, 2012, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: alaric
911 has morphed into  a religion, like the h0Ɩ0cαųst ™.

You can not question the offical party line.

It is sacrilege.


I hear what you're saying. But I like to think that something can be done about it.
I really don't want to roll over and play dead when the adversary gains the upper hand.

There seems to be some movement in the right direction:



New 9/11 truth docuмentary among 'most watched' on PBS this week (http://ae911truth.org/en/news-section/57-news-releases-by-others/660-new-911-truth-docuмentary-among-most-watched-on-pbs-this-week.html)

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Written by Victoria N. Alexander, DigitalJournal.com  
Wednesday, 05 September 2012 09:33


(http://ae911truth.org/images/stories/digitaljournal-vna.png)

http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138


"9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out" is getting public attention and casting doubt on the scientific validity of the U.S. government's investigation into the WTC tragedy. PBS is the first major network to air the program.

Just days away from the 11th anniversary of the World Trade Center tragedy and months away from the U.S. presidential election, a game-changing 9/11 docuмentary is ranking number three among "most watched" docuмentaries on PBS and number one among "most shared." Available for free online August 18th - September 4th, the docuмentary could have a significant effect on public opinion. [Update: PBS has extended viewing indefinitely.] Both the Republicans and Democrats, as equally staunch defenders of the official story, stand to be affected if the public's suspicion of government corruption grows deeper.

An earlier report on Digital Journal found that the claims made in the docuмentary can be verified by reading the government reports themselves. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the government agency charged with the investigation, did not provide any data -- no measurements or estimates -- of the mass or energy that would be required to bring down the buildings in about ten seconds. Normally a scientific report would present all the data that is used to construct a theory. The omission of data is a red flag to anyone familiar with scientific procedure. It appears that the investigators may have intentionally produced reports that the scientific community would reject.

According to the experts appearing in Explosive Evidence, the scientific community did reject the reports immediately, but it has taken a very long time for this message to reach the public. Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the producers of the docuмentary, have been trying to educate the public for a number of years. The PBS broadcast of their work represents a major step forward for them.

See full article at http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332051 >>
Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 10, 2012, 06:28:12 PM
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CPT12 airs "explosive" video from AE911Truth (http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138)




I find it interesting that Colorado would be the place where public acceptance of

paying attention to the scientific evidence is taking place.

Colorado Public Television has become the "ground zero" of awareness

that there has been an ongoing "official" coverup of the truth.





I have to wonder: why Colorado? ...............  :scratchchin:





Please log on to cpt12. org/911explosiveevidence (remove the space after the

period - your browser will be referred to another site which is why the CI

system will not allow me to post this address as a link) as explained at minute

29:00 in the hour-and-a-half video linked above, where you can leave a message

with your questions or comments.

Copy of 3 recent comments on the website cpt12. org/911explosiveevidence :




Many thanks for the 9/11 Explosive Evidence docuмentary
Posted: September 9, 2012 by Name Withheld
Program: 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
This very well-done docuмentary delivers what it promises -- piece after piece of evidence that the official investigation ignored. It includes extensive video, photographs, and interviews docuмenting the evidence. It is clear, to the point, and moves at a good pace. 9/11 is not ancient history. 9/11 is the justification for the ongoing war in Afghanistan, the TSA you deal with at the airport, and the list goes on. This really matters. CPT12, by airing this, shows real integrity. Follow the truth wherever it may lead!
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9/11 ESO program
Posted: September 9, 2012 by John Mizzi, P.E.
Program: 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
First, thank you for doing this. On our present foreign policy trajectory, the natural conclusion will be WWIII! The enabling event for the present sorry state of our beloved nation was 9/11. We must begin to walk back from the precipice of continuous and escalating war. We can do this best by following the following cheesy "one-liner": DON'T COMMEMORATE.... INVESTIGATE..... 9/11! You are helping to do this..... BRAVO. Please send an E-mail to my local NPR station (Katie Britton or Alan Chartock) WAMC which still has its head firmly planted where it shouldn't be when it comes to discussing 9/11....ie. - strictly VERBOTEN!
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A salute from Denmark to CPT
Posted: September 9, 2012 by Michael Højgård Hansen
Program: 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
My deep respect to CPT to air this film. Hope is diminishing every day these experts are not allowed to speak out/reach a wider audience. "In times of universal deceit speaking the thruth becomes a revolutionary act" George Orwell Regards from Nyborg/Denmark
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BTW: one of the "unforgivable sins" of Bishop Richard Williamson is his refusal

to "drink the Kool-Aid" of the party line on 9-11. Does this media suppression of

the evidence remind you of Menzingen's agenda of secrecy and punitive measures
 
against good priests who "speak out?"


In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
~George Orwell, 1984
Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: Gold Peak on September 10, 2012, 06:31:45 PM
Thank you for this great information.  Again, I like your writings!
Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 10, 2012, 06:54:00 PM
Quote from: Marye
Thank you for this great information.  Again, I like your writings!



You're welcome, Marye.


We should all thank Matthew, because he is the one who provides this opportunity

for us. Where would we be able to say these things if not for CathInfo?



Just try and do this on most other sites, you'd be banned.

In some countries, you would be thrown in prison.

And they would then lose the key.

On purpose........

 :scared2:
Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 11, 2012, 09:27:11 AM
Here we are.

9-11 has arrived.................
Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: songbird on September 11, 2012, 09:59:05 PM
Read the book by Judy Woods, "Where did the towers Go!"  Poof!  She has many things to say about Hutchison and Tesla discoveries of energies that we are not familiar with. What can melt iron, and rust steel in seconds?  Rescue people in black clouds, lifted up in the air in tornados.  And HAARP is mentioned in regards to the Hurricane that day.  Many things to read about and pictures galore.  The book may need to be ordered, my friend ordered hers.
Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: Belloc on September 12, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: alaric
911 has morphed into  a religion, like the h0Ɩ0cαųst ™.

You can not question the offical party line.

It is sacrilege.


its now called Patriot's Day.......yet another holiday of the ACR
Title: Commemorating Ground Zero
Post by: Loriann on September 12, 2012, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: alaric
911 has morphed into  a religion, like the h0Ɩ0cαųst ™.

You can not question the offical party line.

It is sacrilege.


I hear what you're saying. But I like to think that something can be done about it.
I really don't want to roll over and play dead when the adversary gains the upper hand.

There seems to be some movement in the right direction:



New 9/11 truth docuмentary among 'most watched' on PBS this week (http://ae911truth.org/en/news-section/57-news-releases-by-others/660-new-911-truth-docuмentary-among-most-watched-on-pbs-this-week.html)

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Written by Victoria N. Alexander, DigitalJournal.com  
Wednesday, 05 September 2012 09:33


(http://ae911truth.org/images/stories/digitaljournal-vna.png)

http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138


"9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out" is getting public attention and casting doubt on the scientific validity of the U.S. government's investigation into the WTC tragedy. PBS is the first major network to air the program.

Just days away from the 11th anniversary of the World Trade Center tragedy and months away from the U.S. presidential election, a game-changing 9/11 docuмentary is ranking number three among "most watched" docuмentaries on PBS and number one among "most shared." Available for free online August 18th - September 4th, the docuмentary could have a significant effect on public opinion. [Update: PBS has extended viewing indefinitely.] Both the Republicans and Democrats, as equally staunch defenders of the official story, stand to be affected if the public's suspicion of government corruption grows deeper.

An earlier report on Digital Journal found that the claims made in the docuмentary can be verified by reading the government reports themselves. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the government agency charged with the investigation, did not provide any data -- no measurements or estimates -- of the mass or energy that would be required to bring down the buildings in about ten seconds. Normally a scientific report would present all the data that is used to construct a theory. The omission of data is a red flag to anyone familiar with scientific procedure. It appears that the investigators may have intentionally produced reports that the scientific community would reject.

According to the experts appearing in Explosive Evidence, the scientific community did reject the reports immediately, but it has taken a very long time for this message to reach the public. Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the producers of the docuмentary, have been trying to educate the public for a number of years. The PBS broadcast of their work represents a major step forward for them.

See full article at http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332051 >>


I will look forward to watching that.