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Offline LeDeg

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CMRI in Phoenix
« on: August 15, 2019, 02:39:42 PM »
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    • After the "disagreement" between the Our Lady of the Sun mass center and Bishop Sanborn, they have had Fr Gronenthal, a CMRI priest, sent by Bishop Pivarunas, to provide the center with the sacraments. He also serves as the principal for the center's school.


    About 15 minutes or so from them is another parish, Queen of the Holy Rosary, another CMRI manned parish, with Fr. Cordova providing the sacraments. 


    Is there any reason why 2 mass centers exist so close to each other that the CMRI provides priests for? Why wouldn't they combine? Is the OLOS strictly a SVist chapel? It would seem to be more effective to consolidate, but maybe I'm missing something. 
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    Re: CMRI in Phoenix
    « Reply #1 on: August 15, 2019, 04:25:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: LeDeg on August 15, 2019, 02:39:42 PM
    After the "disagreement" between the Our Lady of the Sun mass center and Bishop Sanborn, they have had Fr Gronenthal, a CMRI priest, sent by Bishop Pivarunas, to provide the center with the sacraments.
    So there's no sedeprivationist chapel in Phoenix now?
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    Re: CMRI in Phoenix
    « Reply #2 on: August 16, 2019, 08:08:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: LeDeg on August 15, 2019, 02:39:42 PM
    After the "disagreement" between the Our Lady of the Sun mass center and Bishop Sanborn, they have had Fr Gronenthal, a CMRI priest, sent by Bishop Pivarunas, to provide the center with the sacraments. He also serves as the principal for the center's school.


    About 15 minutes or so from them is another parish, Queen of the Holy Rosary, another CMRI manned parish, with Fr. Cordova providing the sacraments.


    Is there any reason why 2 mass centers exist so close to each other that the CMRI provides priests for? Why wouldn't they combine? Is the OLOS strictly a SVist chapel? It would seem to be more effective to consolidate, but maybe I'm missing something.


    It is a little further then 15 min. from one to the other more like 45 but that is nether here nor there. 
     Queen of the Holy Rosary has been there for years and years as has Our Lady of the Sun but it was not until recently that the CMRI was invited in, I say invited because the CMRI does not own the church or property . It was not by design that both churches are so close but if both can support themselves I don't see a problem. 
    I wish there was 5 or 10 more around the valley ,nice small beautiful parishes . A great alternative to the mega-warehouse echo chamber we are saddled with  
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    Re: CMRI in Phoenix
    « Reply #3 on: August 16, 2019, 11:35:30 PM »
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    • Could it be that there are that many Catholics in that city?
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    Re: CMRI in Phoenix
    « Reply #4 on: August 16, 2019, 11:51:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on August 16, 2019, 08:08:34 PM
    we are saddled with 
    Who's "saddling" you with it? There're no other options, like an independent chapel, in Phoenix?
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    Re: CMRI in Phoenix
    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2019, 10:12:39 AM »
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    • I don't know why the two chapels are not consolidated, but I have a pretty good guess.  It isn't as though the administrators of a chapel can just up and leave it.  Property is usually still being paid off.  At least one (though probably both) of these chapels are lay-owned. 
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    The CMRI works with a lot of lay-owned chapels (unlike the SSPX).  So while on the one hand it's fair to refer to both of these chapels as "CMRI chapels," it'd be more technically accurate to refer to them as CMRI serviced chapels.  Point being, the CMRI works with whoever owns the chapel-- but the CMRI doesn't "run" the chapel.  It isn't as though they came in, bought two properties on each side of town, and ran them separately.  In at least one case (if not both of these cases) they were invited in to existing, lay-owned mass centers to provide sacraments.  That's how you end up with situations that seem "redundant" like this one.
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    Re: CMRI in Phoenix
    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2019, 12:48:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on August 17, 2019, 10:12:39 AM
    I don't know why the two chapels are not consolidated, but I have a pretty good guess.  It isn't as though the administrators of a chapel can just up and leave it.  Property is usually still being paid off.  At least one (though probably both) of these chapels are lay-owned.  
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    The CMRI works with a lot of lay-owned chapels (unlike the SSPX).  So while on the one hand it's fair to refer to both of these chapels as "CMRI chapels," it'd be more technically accurate to refer to them as CMRI serviced chapels.  Point being, the CMRI works with whoever owns the chapel-- but the CMRI doesn't "run" the chapel.  It isn't as though they came in, bought two properties on each side of town, and ran them separately.  In at least one case (if not both of these cases) they were invited in to existing, lay-owned mass centers to provide sacraments.  That's how you end up with situations that seem "redundant" like this one.
    Mith, I understand all of this. And I agree with your observations. The reason Bp. Sanborn was shown the door was because he asked Our Lady of the Sun to sign over the property to him. They of course refused and Bp. Pivarunas stepped in and helped with no strings attached. A telling gesture and possibly explains the attitude Bp Sanborn has shown for the CMRI at times. For Bp. Sanborn, I guess it demonstrates that you can take a man out of the SSPX, but you can't take the SSPX out of the man.
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    Re: CMRI in Phoenix
    « Reply #7 on: August 21, 2019, 11:08:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on August 16, 2019, 11:51:14 PM
    Who's "saddling" you with it? There're no other options, like an independent chapel, in Phoenix?
    That is a ridiculous question . Have you not been reading the numerous threads on this issue ?
     https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/our-lady-of-sorrows-phoenix-update/
     Of course you have . We are not going to simply slink off to some other church . I would go into redundant detail for you but this thread is about the CMRI in Phoenix so lets try to keep it there 
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    Re: CMRI in Phoenix
    « Reply #8 on: August 21, 2019, 08:29:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on August 16, 2019, 11:51:14 PM
    Who's "saddling" you with it? There're no other options, like an independent chapel, in Phoenix?
    Fr. Finnegan, Our Lady of Quito.
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