Author Topic: CHURCH TEACHING ON ABJURATION (Read 1613 times)

charles1ofAustria · « **on:** September 08, 2012, 04:17:11 PM »

HERE ARE THE FOLLOWING QUOTES, INFALLIABLE BY THE WAY, WHICH REQUIRE CONVERTS INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CONDEMN ALL THE HERESIES OF THEIR SECT THEY CAME FROM & THE HERESIES THEY PERSONALLY BELIEVE.

First Council of Constantinople, 381 AD: ―Canon 1. The profession of faith of the holy fathers who gathered in Nicaea in Bithynia is not to be abrogated, but it is to remain in force. Every heresy is to be anathematised and in particular that of the Eunomians or Anomoeans, that of the Arians or Eudoxians, that of the Semi-Arians or Pneumatomachi, that of the Sabellians, that of the Marcellians, that of the Photinians, and that of the Apollinarians.‖

First Council of Constantinople, 381 AD: ―Canon 7. Those who embrace orthodoxy and join the number of those who are being saved from the heretics, we receive in the following regular and customary manner: Arians, Macedonians, Sabbatians, Novatians, those who call themselves Cathars and Aristae, Quartodeciman or Tetradites, Apollinarians—these we receive when they hand in statements and anathematise every heresy which is not of the same mind as the holy, catholic and apostolic church of God. They are first sealed or anointed with holy chrism on the forehead, eyes, nostrils, mouth and ears. As we seal them we say: ‗Seal of the gift of the Holy Spirit.‘ ‖

Council of Laodicea, 390 AD: ―Canon 7. Persons converted from heresies, that is, of the Novatians, Photinians, and Quartodecimans, whether they were catechumens or communicants among them, shall not be received until they shall have anathematized every heresy, and particularly that in which they were held…‖

Second Council of Constantinople, 553 AD: ―Canon 11. If anyone does not anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, Apollinarius, Nestorius, Eutyches and
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Origen, as well as their heretical books, and also all other heretics who have already been condemned and anathematized by the holy, catholic and apostolic church and by the four holy synods which have already been mentioned, and also all those who have thought or now think in the same way as the aforesaid heretics and who persist in their error even to death: let him be anathema.‖

Pope Pius IX, Quanta Cura, 1864: ―1. …Our Predecessors, asserters of justice, being especially anxious for the salvation of souls, had nothing ever more at heart than by their most wise Letters and Constitutions to unveil and condemn all those heresies and errors which, being adverse to our Divine Faith, to the doctrine of the Catholic Church, to purity of morals, and to the eternal salvation of men… 6. …Therefore, by our Apostolic authority, we reprobate, proscribe, and condemn all the singular and evil opinions and doctrines severally mentioned in this letter, and will and command that they be thoroughly held by all children of the Catholic Church as reprobated, proscribed and condemned.‖

charles1ofAustria · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2012, 04:20:32 PM »

Second Council of Nicea, 787 AD: ―Session I. …[Certain bishops who had been led astray by the Iconoclasts came, asking to be received back. The first of these was Basil of Ancyra.] The bishop Basil of Ancyra read as follows from a book: Inasmuch as ecclesiastical legislation has canonically been handed down from past time, even from the beginning from the holy Apostles, and from their successors, who were our holy fathers and teachers, and also from the six holy and ecuмenical synods, and from the local synods which were gathered in the interests of orthodoxy, that those returning from any heresy whatever to the orthodox faith and to the tradition of the Catholic Church, might deny their own heresy, and confess the orthodox faith, Wherefore I, Basil, bishop of the city of Ancyra, proposing to be united to the Catholic Church, and to Hadrian the most holy Pope of Old Rome, …make this written confession of my faith, and I offer it to you as to those who have received power by apostolic authority. I believe, therefore, and make my confession in one God, the Father Almighty, and in one Lord Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, and in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life… These things thus I confess and to these I assent, and therefore in simplicity of heart and in uprightness of mind, in the presence of God, I have made the subjoined anathematisms:
―Anathema to the calumniators of the Christians, that is to the image breakers. ―Anathema to those who apply the words of Holy Scripture which were spoken against idols, to the venerable images.
―Anathema to those who do not salute the holy and venerable images. ―Anathema to those who say that Christians have recourse to the images as to gods.
―Anathema to those who call the sacred images idols. ―Anathema to those who knowingly communicate with those who revile and dishonour the venerable images.
―Anathema to those who say that another than Christ our Lord hath delivered us from idols.
―Anathema to those who spurn the teachings of the holy Fathers and the tradition of the Catholic Church, taking as a pretext and making their own the arguments of Arius, Nestorius, Eutyches, and Dioscorus, that unless we were evidently taught by the Old and New Testaments, we should not follow the teachings of the holy Fathers and of the holy Ecuмenical Synods, and the tradition of the Catholic Church.
―Anathema to those who dare to say that the Catholic Church hath at any time sanctioned idols.
―Anathema to those who say that the making of images is a diabolical invention and not a tradition of our holy Fathers. ―This is my confession [of faith] and to these propositions I give my assent. And I pronounce this with my whole heart, and soul, and mind. And if at any time by the
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fraud of the devil (which may God forbid!) I voluntarily or involuntarily shall be opposed to what I have now professed, may I be anathema from the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and from the Catholic Church and every hierarchical order a stranger.‖2

Sigismund · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2012, 08:33:47 PM »

Interesting and edifying, but was anyone here denying any of this?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2012, 08:01:25 AM »

From what I could find, Anglican Use Catholics do not make any abjuration of
error. Their pastors who were married are now married priests. Do they forgive
sins? Don't know.

Apparently they didn't have to change their prayers, except to add the word
"Use" on the title page. So what do they believe? Is it the same as before they
"became Catholic?"

What about the decree of invalidity of Pope Leo XIII regarding Anglican orders?

Sigismund · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2012, 10:59:18 AM »

The do have to accept the Catechism, for whatever that is worth.

They have to use the Eucharistic Prayers from the Roman Missal, not the ones from the BCP. They do retain other Anglican prayers, mostly collects, but many of them are Cranmer's perfectly accurate translations form the traditional liturgy.

Nishant · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2012, 11:17:05 AM »

Yes, and according to the provisions of Anglicanorum Coetibus, all Anglican ministers who were unmarried at their conversion are required to submit to the norm of clerical celibacy as the ordinary discipline of the Latin rite. It appears that married priests will still be the exception, not the rule, who are admitted on a case by case basis. Their ministers are also ordained as priests.

VeraeFidei · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2012, 04:11:38 PM »

What of those who convert from Protestantism to the NO and then to Tradition? Obviously the Profession of Faith is very short and lacking in detail, to say the least.

Sigismund · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2012, 04:22:42 PM »

Well, if tradition means the SSPX or a sedevacantist group, they will have their own procedures. If it is a traditionalist group in full communion with the See of Peter, it shouldn't matter.

charles1ofAustria · « **Reply #8 on:** September 09, 2012, 08:18:17 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

From what I could find, Anglican Use Catholics do not make any abjuration of
error. Their pastors who were married are now married priests. Do they forgive
sins? Don't know.

Apparently they didn't have to change their prayers, except to add the word
"Use" on the title page. So what do they believe? Is it the same as before they
"became Catholic?"

What about the decree of invalidity of Pope Leo XIII regarding Anglican orders?

According to the quotes I listed, they need to make an abjuration.

Do you think the vatican 2 whore of babylon church really cares about a papal decree from Leo XIII?

poche · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:55:12 AM »

bottom line - in order to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church you have to accept all of the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Belloc · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2012, 07:31:35 AM »

Quote from: charles1ofAustria

the vatican 2 whore of babylon church

More drift into Prot sensationalism.......

the whore is the NWO and its political, social apparatus.........perhaps allusion to the NewChurch, as it is a part of it, but not the system.......

http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id303.html

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2012, 07:52:58 AM »

Quote from: charles1ofAustria

Quote from: Neil Obstat
From what I could find, Anglican Use Catholics do not make any abjuration of
error. Their pastors who were married are now married priests. Do they forgive
sins? Don't know.

Apparently they didn't have to change their prayers, except to add the word
"Use" on the title page. So what do they believe? Is it the same as before they
"became Catholic?"

What about the decree of invalidity of Pope Leo XIII regarding Anglican orders?

According to the quotes I listed, they need to make an abjuration.

Do you think the vatican 2 whore of babylon church really cares about a papal decree from Leo XIII?

I was just putting up the evidence. I believe Leo XIII was right, he was acting as
a true pope. He was doing the work of God. Some criticize him, but I have to
wonder if they're listening to the enemy's propaganda. Pope Leo XIII was a good
pope. This is a great example of how things have declined. What has happened
to the abjuration of error?

I was present when an Armenian Orthodox young man made his abjuration of
error, in front of the whole congregation at a CTLM 15 years ago. He came up and
knelt at the communion rail and answered the priest's questions out loud for all
to hear. It was quite interesting to see. It used to be a common occurrence. I'm
told that multiple converts used to kneel at the rail at the same time, but I've
never seen that or even a video of that. Perhaps some other member here could
comment?

Sigismund · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2012, 08:59:07 PM »

I am a bit amazed that anyone could have a problem of any sort with Pope Leo XII