What a damn shame........

http://news.yahoo.com/church-pastor-rick-warrens-son-commits-ѕυιcιdє-211206608.html

..Church: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits ѕυιcιdє
Associated Press – 11 hrs ago

..LAKE FOREST, Calif. (AP) — The 27-year-old son of popular evangelical Pastor Rick Warren has committed ѕυιcιdє at his Southern California home, Warren's church and authorities said on Saturday.

Matthew Warren struggled with mental illness, deep depression and suicidal thoughts throughout his life, Saddleback Valley Community Church said in a statement. His body was found in his Mission Viejo home Friday night, said Allison O'Neal, a supervising deputy coroner for Orange County. She declined to release the cause and manner of death pending an autopsy of the young man.

"Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life," the church statement said.

Rick Warren, the author of the multimillion-selling book "The Purpose Driven Life," said in an email to church staff that he and his wife had enjoyed a fun Friday evening with their son. But their son then returned home to take his life in "a momentary wave of despair."

Over the years, Matthew Warren had been treated by America's best doctors, had received counseling and medication and been the recipient of numerous prayers from others, his father said.

"I'll never forget how, many years ago, after another approach had failed to give relief, Matthew said 'Dad, I know I'm going to heaven. Why can't I just die and end this pain?'" Warren recalled.

Despite that, he said, his son lived for another decade, during which he often reached out to help others.

"You who watched Matthew grow up knew he was an incredibly kind, gentle, and compassionate man," Warren wrote. "He had a brilliant intellect and a gift for sensing who was most in pain or most uncomfortable in a room. He'd then make a bee-line to that person to engage and encourage them."

The elder Warren founded Saddleback Church in 1980, according to his biography on the church website, and over the years watched it grow to 20,000 members. He and his wife, Kay, began by holding Bible studies for people who weren't regular churchgoers.

Matthew Warren was the youngest of their three children.

As Saddleback grew over the years, it spread out from its Lake Forest headquarters, 65 miles southeast of Los Angeles, adding several other campuses and ministries around Southern California.

The church says it now offers more than 200 community ministries and support groups for parents, families, children, couples, prisoners, addicts, and people living with HIV, depression and other illnesses.

In 2008, the church sponsored a presidential forum with Barack Obama and John McCain. Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney were invited to a similar forum last fall, but Warren canceled it several days beforehand, saying the campaign had become too uncivil.

Warren was named the top newsmaker of the year for 2009 by the Religion Newswriters Association. He gained attention that year with his invocation at Obama's inauguration, as well as with comments he made in the aftermath of California's Proposition 8, which overturned gαy marriage.

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I recently heard a lecture from a Muslim scholar that proclaimed while we're the wealthiest and most properous nation on the Earth we are also certainly the most spiritually impovershed. Hence the most suicidal. This Muslim is spot on.

Muslims consider us a decadent, infidel, imperial power. I must say I agree. When I see erotic sɛҳuąƖ scenes out of Hollywood movies, and scenes of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs kissing on the screen, and women bullying men in everyday life I find myself in solidarity with Muslims and see America as a sick society.

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I recently heard a lecture from a Muslim scholar that proclaimed while we're the wealthiest and most properous nation on the Earth we are also certainly the most spiritually impovershed. Hence the most suicidal. This Muslim is spot on.

Muslims consider us a decadent, infidel, imperial power. I must say I agree. When I see erotic sɛҳuąƖ scenes out of Hollywood movies, and scenes of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs kissing on the screen, and women bullying men in everyday life I find myself in solidarity with Muslims and see America as a sick society.

I also find myself more and more allinging myself with shismatic Eastern  Orthodox and infidel Mohameddans against this despicable , Judaiized, feminized,culture ours has become.

I hate to say it, but there's some nasty anti-Christians who are going to have a field day with this. :rolleyes:

Of course, nearly everyone will say that he is in Heaven, but I suspect, to at least a moral certitude, that he is, at this very moment, consigned to eternal Hell.

OSAS aside, knowing what I've seen with people with actual full-blown depression, I cannot help but wonder how much in control of one's actions someone who is in the depths of depression actually is.

That is, it brings to mind the question of full consent, or the capability to even do so.

I've seen depression in people, and I have a hard time seeing how, when they are at their worst, they'd be able to give full consent, gravity of the act of ѕυιcιdє aside.

I gotta wonder if, in the depths of such misery and chemical hopelessness, they *can* commit the *mortal* sin by ending their own life?

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Of course, nearly everyone will say that he is in Heaven, but I suspect, to at least a moral certitude, that he is, at this very moment, consigned to eternal Hell.

OSAS aside, knowing what I've seen with people with actual full-blown depression, I cannot help but wonder how much in control of one's actions someone who is in the depths of depression actually is.

That is, it brings to mind the question of full consent, or the capability to even do so.

I've seen depression in people, and I have a hard time seeing how, when they are at their worst, they'd be able to give full consent, gravity of the act of ѕυιcιdє aside.

I gotta wonder if, in the depths of such misery and chemical hopelessness, they *can* commit the *mortal* sin by ending their own life?

If they are in a state of mind where they can contemplate OSAS and even embrace such a heresy, then they can certainly understand that ѕυιcιdє is self-murder.  Point is that Rick Warren's son thought that he would go to Heaven because he had "prayed his prayer", and on that account, he was wrong, eternally so.  "Time will tell," of course, but telling the living that ѕυιcιdє is anything but a mortal sin does an eternal injustice towards those who are contemplating such an act.

Another big piece of this puzzle is that Rick Warren has been an extremely valuable tool in seducing lazy "Christians"  to the one world religion doctrine.  His ties to the satanic elitists is legendary, even as a member of the CFR.  

Do you have any links to this effect? I'd like to look into this.

Quote from: Jehanne

Of course, nearly everyone will say that he is in Heaven, but I suspect, to at least a moral certitude, that he is, at this very moment, consigned to eternal Hell.

OSAS aside, knowing what I've seen with people with actual full-blown depression, I cannot help but wonder how much in control of one's actions someone who is in the depths of depression actually is.

That is, it brings to mind the question of full consent, or the capability to even do so.

I've seen depression in people, and I have a hard time seeing how, when they are at their worst, they'd be able to give full consent, gravity of the act of ѕυιcιdє aside.

I gotta wonder if, in the depths of such misery and chemical hopelessness, they *can* commit the *mortal* sin by ending their own life?

I've also seen more than my share of depressed people, including many family and friends. A few even went the ѕυιcιdє route and you're right, most of these people are not in their rights minds to begin with. One very good friend of mine's wife suffered for years and years, everyday was agony unitl she could bear it no more. I cannot for the life of me me believe that she lies in eternal damnation after being  psychologically tortured for most of her adult life and literally at her wits end in the end.

Also, most of these people are heavily medicated and under severe demonic oppression, drugs are the devils channel into our psyche, people are never "in their right mind" when their under the influence of powerful narcotics. For many, after many years of this doctors prescribed drug abuse, all rational and critical thought has been removed. We must do all we can not to let them take control of our minds because that is just what they want.