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Offline Alex

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Christmas message from Ben Stein
« on: December 26, 2011, 07:44:42 PM »
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  • This Christmas message is from Ben Stein, the Jєωιѕн actor, writer, lawyer, and commentator on political and economic issues (he was the one who, among other things, did the docuмentary, Expelled: No Intellegence Allowed).



    I am a Jєω, and every single one of my ancestors was Jєωιѕн. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, beJєωeled trees Christmas trees. I don’t feel threatened. I don’t feel discriminated against. That’s what they are, Christmas trees.

    It doesn’t bother me a bit when people say, “Merry Christmas” to me. I don’t think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn’t bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it’s just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

    I don’t like getting pushed around for being a Jєω, and I don’t think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from – that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can’t find it in the Constitution and I don’t like it being shoved down my throat.

    Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren’t allowed to worship God? I guess that’s a sign that I’m getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

    In light of the many jokes we send to one another for laughs, this one is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it’s not funny, it’s intended to get you thinking.

    Billy Graham’s daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her “How could God let something like this happen?” (regarding Hurricane Katrina) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, “I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we’ve been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?”

    In light of recent events – terrorist attacks, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O’Hare (She was murdered;, her body was found a few years ago.) complained she didn’t want prayer in our schools, and we said “OK.” Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said “OK.”

    Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn’t spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock’s son committed ѕυιcιdє.) We said an expert should know what he’s talking about. And we said “OK.”

    Now we’re asking ourselves why our children have no consciences, why they don’t know right from wrong, and why it doesn’t bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

    Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with “WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.”

    Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world’s going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send “jokes” through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

    Are you laughing yet?

    My Best Regards, Honestly and Respectfully,

    Ben Stein


    Offline Raoul76

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    Christmas message from Ben Stein
    « Reply #1 on: December 26, 2011, 09:36:00 PM »
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  • Remember what I told you on the phone many times that they REMEMBER and they are taking revenge?  What does this say to you?

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    It doesn’t bother me a bit when people say, “Merry Christmas” to me. I don’t think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto.


    Does this sound like someone who is ignorant of history, or of Catholic history, to you?  I also know the Jєωιѕн "comedian" Seth Rogen joked about the ghettos and persecution of Jєωs when he was something like 14 years old.  They remember.  Sure, maybe not all of them; but many of them do.

    I'm sure Ben Stein really doesn't mind Vatican II or a Protestant Christmas.  But I have a feeling he would mind a Great Monarch Christmas.  It's easy for Jєωs to be liberal towards Christians when they're "winning," when they have turned the world into a giant ash heap.

    Somehow I have the feeling Ben Stein would be much more uncomfortable with a Merry Christmas from Raoul76 than he would be with a Merry Christmas from Joel Osteen.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


    Offline Sigismund

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    Christmas message from Ben Stein
    « Reply #2 on: December 26, 2011, 10:25:57 PM »
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  • Wy shouldn't they remember?

    I am Irish.  I certainly remember what has been done to my ancestors, and by whom.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Christmas message from Ben Stein
    « Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 10:53:25 AM »
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  • Part of this was correctly attributed to Ben Stein, part of it was not.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/confessions.asp

    Offline s2srea

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    « Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 01:51:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    Wy shouldn't they remember?

    I am Irish.  I certainly remember what has been done to my ancestors, and by whom.


    But the Irish aren't Jєωs. They're Catholics, not тαℓмυdists; complete 180° of each other.

    The Irish remember's whats been done to him in a fight, and he consigns it.
    The Jєω remember's what's been done to him in a fight, and he moves on to the next step- vengeance.


    Offline Sigismund

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    « Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 06:46:47 PM »
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  • I am not sure you have know many Irish then.  IRA terrorism was all about revenge for harms, mostly real, but still this was hardly a proportional response.  

    Only someone determined to ignore history can say that Jєωs have not been persecuted horribly.  (I realize you did not say that in your post.)  How is saying that seeking revenge?  How is demanding justice seeking revenge?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 12:01:36 AM »
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    Remember what I told you on the phone many times that they REMEMBER and they are taking revenge?  What does this say to you?


    The key word here is "many times." I'm all too familiar with your repeating a thousand times your obsessions, especially your extreme paranoia over the Jєωs.


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    « Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 12:31:52 AM »
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    Only someone determined to ignore history can say that Jєωs have not been persecuted horribly.


    And Sigi, only someone determined to ignore history will fail to realize why. Im curious about what you're specifically referring to? Do you think the popes wrong in in their harsh treatment of the Jєωs?


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    « Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 04:01:36 AM »
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  • +a billion to Raoul and s2srea here.

    You guys need to never forget who the enemy here is. And it isn't as simple as "oh its the devil".

    It's his minions who help him do work while on earth. And Stein is like one of those blue pills just walking and talking his way in this matrix of planet Earth. At any given moment though, he can morph into an agent and put YOU into a ghetto.

    Vengeance is a nasty hallmark of Jєωs, I have witnessed first hand. Not to say that Catholics or any other group of people aren't capable of it, but we don't think of it first-thought when we are slighted or otherwise.

    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 04:02:08 AM »
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  • Alex, listen to your fellow Lebanese if you won't listen to me.  Half-Lebanese, anyway.  

    I have no paranoia about Jєωs, I just acknowledge their dominance over all the sources of information in the Western world which they use to spread anti-Christ principles.  Most people here, with some rare bleeding-heart exceptions, also acknowledge it.  Or were you expecting the Jєωs to do God's work while rejecting His Son?

    I'm sorry, but personally I have zero need of Ben Stein as a Christian apologist, especially when what he's really preaching is Americanism, which in itself is essentially Jєωιѕн because it created the free field they needed.  They could never have gotten this far under Catholic rulers; they needed a chaotic, free-for-all of a country like this to vault them to the top.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 04:02:45 AM »
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    Remember what I told you on the phone many times that they REMEMBER and they are taking revenge?  What does this say to you?

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    It doesn’t bother me a bit when people say, “Merry Christmas” to me. I don’t think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto.


    Does this sound like someone who is ignorant of history, or of Catholic history, to you?  I also know the Jєωιѕн "comedian" Seth Rogen joked about the ghettos and persecution of Jєωs when he was something like 14 years old.  They remember.  Sure, maybe not all of them; but many of them do.

    I'm sure Ben Stein really doesn't mind Vatican II or a Protestant Christmas.  But I have a feeling he would mind a Great Monarch Christmas.  It's easy for Jєωs to be liberal towards Christians when they're "winning," when they have turned the world into a giant ash heap.

    Somehow I have the feeling Ben Stein would be much more uncomfortable with a Merry Christmas from Raoul76 than he would be with a Merry Christmas from Joel Osteen.  



    Bolded for emphasis. Deep line, people should ponder on it some.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 04:07:11 AM »
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  • Lol, will you stop that?  

    Alex, PartyIsOver is a Jєω, a converted Jєω.  I didn't know if that was secret, but S2srea mentioned it and you never complained.  There were many converted Jєωs in the Jesuits.  I admit this once made me paranoid, I've gotten over it.  

    Remember that St. Paul was not trusted by the other Apostles at first.  Yeah, the other Apostles were all Jєωs, but doesn't St. Paul somehow seem Jєωier, for lack of a better word, than the others?  And isn't that the reason for the mistrust?  Okay, that is just my little theory, don't take it too seriously.  But there are trust issues even when the Jєωs convert.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 04:26:43 AM »
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  • Yes I am a Jєωιѕн convert, in case everyone has been under a rock here for the past year or doesn't bother to use the search button to find threads and happenstance run across a post of mine saying I was a former Jєω.

    I know Jєωs.

    I lived with Jєωs.

    I was in the brood of Jєωs.

    I still have contact with Jєωs, so I see they haven't changed since I have left their direct companionship.

    I was eating with them too, because I was one.

    Any doubters out there still? Christ showed me the faith I needed to accept to be saved, and it was a glorious day, I will never forget it. Well actually, a night , when it occurred. It wasn't as brilliant as St. Paul's being knocked down blind, but it was just as powerful to me.

    PS. I'm a sedevacantist now , so God must really want me to do things in this life. Otherwise he would have left me in the Novus ordo sect into which was all I knew of "Catholicism" at first. I hope God smiled at that last one,  :wink:


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    « Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 04:52:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Remember that St. Paul was not trusted by the other Apostles at first. Yeah, the other Apostles were all Jєωs, but doesn't St. Paul somehow seem Jєωier, for lack of a better word, than the others? And isn't that the reason for the mistrust? Okay, that is just my little theory, don't take it too seriously. But there are trust issues even when the Jєωs convert.


    Call me simple, but I think the other Apostles' mistrust for Paul had more to do with the fact that until his Damascus Road conversion (which Paul himself admits is a singular event, appointed as to one born out of time, and of its very nature difficult to accept) Paul would have slapped the Apostles in chains and dragged them to their deaths; that he stood by approvingly as St. Stephen was pummelled; that he was boastfully the most militant persecuter of the young Church; and that he had already destroyed who knows how many Christians, and was planning on destroying more. Such people are not easily trusted.

    When St. Peter finally comes to speak of his "beloved brother Paul," he is showing much more grace and gentility than I ever would have under the circuмstances. If I was St. Peter, with the power to bind and loose, I would have had Paul emptying chamber pots in Purgatory until (literally) Kingdom Come. I guess that's why it wasn't up me.
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    « Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 05:07:43 AM »
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    Alex, listen to your fellow Lebanese if you won't listen to me.  Half-Lebanese, anyway.  

    I have no paranoia about Jєωs, I just acknowledge their dominance over all the sources of information in the Western world which they use to spread anti-Christ principles.  Most people here, with some rare bleeding-heart exceptions, also acknowledge it.  Or were you expecting the Jєωs to do God's work while rejecting His Son?

    I'm sorry, but personally I have zero need of Ben Stein as a Christian apologist, especially when what he's really preaching is Americanism, which in itself is essentially Jєωιѕн because it created the free field they needed.  They could never have gotten this far under Catholic rulers; they needed a chaotic, free-for-all of a country like this to vault them to the top.


    So do I acknowledge their dominance over all info. sources, bank, media, etc.. But this knowledge has gone to the extreme in your case - where you think that every single Jєω in this world is of ill will, out to get the Christians, and are all bad. We've had arguments over your excessive paranoia many times. You judge every single Jєω as being bad. Even when I point out a Jєω who has acted coureously, you point out that they are putting on an act and that I better watch out. Sorry, but for the past 1 1/2 years I've seen first hand your Jєω paranoia which has at times stemmed into unchristianly attitudes.