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Offline Anton

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Christians Who Are Not Christians
« on: May 21, 2017, 03:02:01 PM »
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    • Is there anybody else tired of Protestants and the Orthodox being called "Christians"? I for one am. I hear many Traditional Catholics, even the most Traditional of Traditionalists, referring to protestants, Russian Orthodox, etc as Christians. 

    I am tired of it. Even books printed before Vatican II refer to non-Catholics who supposedly worship Christ as Christians. Really???We need to get back to calling a spade a spade. I'm sorry, unless you are Catholic, YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN!!! REALLY, YOU ARE NOT!!! There is no such thing as a non-Catholic Christian. Come on Traditionalists, lets stop using the term so lightly. Lets all make a pledge to never call someone a Christian when they are not. 

    On another note, I am tired of Trad Cats praising Evangelicals "who do so much to promote Christian living." Really? Come on!

    Unless Christ the King Reigns, we get what we have...nonsense.

    On a side note, this is not directed to anyone on this forum. I'm just complaining about what I see with my own eyes.
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Christians Who Are Not Christians
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 03:13:42 PM »
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    • St. Peter Julian Eymard – Bad Catholic vs Good Protestant

    People often say, “It is better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic.” That is not true! That would mean that one could be saved without the true faith. No. A bad Catholic remains a child of the family, although a prodigal; and however great a sinner he may be, he still has a right to mercy. Through his faith, a bad Catholic is nearer to God than a Protestant, for he is a member of the household, whereas the heretic is not. And how hard it is to make him become one! (St. Peter Julian Eymard) 


    CHRISTIAN. A name first given to the followers of our Lord at Antioch (Acts xi, 26). Since the rise of Protestantism the name has been used in so many different senses as to have become almost meaningless: it may indicate a Catholic or a Unitarian, or even be applied to an infidel who displays some virtue which is associated with Christ. It may reasonably be applied to the members of all the ancient churches whether in communion with the Holy See or not, and to those Protestants who profess, explicitly -or implicitly, the Nicean creed in its traditional Interpretation. The Church puts no definite official rneaning on the word, as she does on Catholic. (Catholic Dictionary, Donald Attwater, 1958, TAN Books)




    Slightly Older Catechism:
     
     "Protestant: Protestants teach that everyone should read the Bible and interpret it for himself. As a result, they do not agree within their own ranks as to just what is to be believed. Indeed, the number of Protestants who believe in the Trinity is diminishing rapidly; and many who profess to believe in it have only a vague notion of what the Trinity means. Therefore, there are many Protestants, including Protestant ministers, who either doubt or deny Christ's divinity, and so can hardly be considered Christians."
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Christians Who Are Not Christians
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2017, 03:24:44 PM »
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    • Catholics should call Protestants and Eastern Orthodox  exactly that what they are, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox or Schismatic Eastern Orthodox.

    Modern ecuмenism's roots sprouted from the denial of EENS, it started with baptism of desire of the catechumen and grew to salvation for those who believe in a God that rewards and reached its maturity today with there may be no one in hell (JPII said it).
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

    Offline White Wolf

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    Christians Who Are Not Christians who are more Christian than Christians
    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2017, 10:04:19 AM »
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    • Problem here is I know this place called The Monastery of St. Tikhon of Zadonsk where they paint Icons and sing chant and do penances that would put Traditional Catholics to shame.  And on the other hand I know "Trad Cats" who would make Paul VI blush.  If the Angels cannot sort the weeds from the wheat, can we?  I am not saying I would ever receive the sacraments from an Orthodox church (or even Novus Ordo), but I'll accede to the prevailing nomenclature.  I have bigger fish to fry.
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    Re: Christians Who Are Not Christians
    « Reply #4 on: May 22, 2017, 09:27:07 PM »
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    • It is lie to call someone something other than what he is. They are not Christians. Even if they walk on water, they are not Christians. Wasn't it Arius who was outwardly pious and came across as humble? 

    Christian is a very strong, meaningful word and when someone is called "Christian" and is objectively not, I take offense.
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    Re: Christians Who Are Not Christians who are more Christian than Christians
    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2017, 09:28:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: White Wolf on May 22, 2017, 10:04:19 AM
    Problem here is I know this place called The Monastery of St. Tikhon of Zadonsk where they paint Icons and sing chant and do penances that would put Traditional Catholics to shame.  And on the other hand I know "Trad Cats" who would make Paul VI blush.  If the Angels cannot sort the weeds from the wheat, can we?  I am not saying I would ever receive the sacraments from an Orthodox church (or even Novus Ordo), but I'll accede to the prevailing nomenclature.  I have bigger fish to fry.
    A small error in the beginning, is a huge error in the end. You should be concerned when countless "Christians" die thinking they are something they are not.
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    Re: Christians Who Are Not Christians
    « Reply #6 on: May 23, 2017, 06:25:35 AM »
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    • They don't have the true faith. Thier penances are worthless. Many Buddhists perform severe mortification she and it avails them nothing for salvation. Many athletes and body builders impose on themselves strict mortification said in pursuit of bodily perfection and yet it will not save them. Their was a Saint that said the Mass of the Orthodox stinks in the nostrils of God. A sinner who is Catholic is in a better state than a naturally good schismatic or heretic.
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    I am concerned, and I am sure Our Lady is more concerned...
    « Reply #7 on: May 28, 2017, 04:37:33 PM »
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    • We are in the midst of a terrible spiritual battle, and above all we must have charity.  This is a supernatural war, and will not be won on the debating floor.  I am not going to lose sleep over what I cannot change.  The arm of the Lord is not shortened.  His Will will be done.  In the meantime, one proceeds with the pastoral solicitude of Tradition.  For it is written of the Messiah: The bruised reed he shall not break, and smoking flax he shall not quench...
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