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Offline Jovita

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Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
« on: March 21, 2017, 10:57:42 PM »
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  • Can anyone give me a short overview of this place? It started out as a TLM haven but the original founder died and it was taken over by novus ordo types? What about now? I hear it is again a TLM haven. 

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 09:10:54 AM »
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  • Just Google Christ the King Abbey, Alabama and you will find a whole bunch of stuff on it.


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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 10:17:57 AM »
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  • You can hear much about the history of the Abbey from one of the monks who lived there at Restoration Radio:

    https://www.truerestoration.org/season-ii-the-spiritual-life-episode-0-introduction-show/

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 11:36:25 AM »
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  • I was a kid and got the privilege of meeting and having dinner with Fr. Leonard. I remember when the abbey in Cullman was still under construction. It's sad to know the story.

    There was a publication that was put out from the abbey and near the back there was always a statement about how they refused to speak about the controversial matters of the crisis. It wasn't in those words, but this is the meaning.

    After Fr. Leonard died, the few young men that were ordained priests contacted the diocese. Maybe they didn't know much about the crisis, given the attitude of avoiding discussions and controversies. Anyway, they contacted the diocese and, having been ordained by Bishop Pivaranus (I believe), they were told that they were not able to offer Mass and posted a sign that the abbey was closed for Mass. I suppose they were 'ordained' in the New Rite and started offering the Novus Ordo some time later.

    The parishioners regrouped near Huntsville and recieve a priest from the CMRI nowadays.

    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #4 on: March 23, 2017, 04:47:22 AM »
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  • Apparantly Fr. Leonard failed to mention that they were really sedevacantist. 


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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 08:31:23 AM »
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  • From what I have seen and lived through, sede's and resistance folk may just be future saints, for they are the only people sticking with the faith as handed down by Apostles. I am not a greenhorn, I am pushing 60.

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #6 on: March 25, 2017, 02:02:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Centroamerica link=topic=44171.msg544981#msg544981 date=1490200585 (March 22, 2017, 11:36:25)
    I was a kid and got the privilege of meeting and having dinner with Fr. Leonard. I remember when the abbey in Cullman was still under construction.  It's sad to know the story.  [....] posted a sign that the abbey was closed for Mass. I suppose they were 'ordained' in the New Rite and started offering the Novus Ordo some time later.  The parishioners regrouped near Huntsville and recieve a priest from the CMRI nowadays.

    I claim no special knowledge of the story[†], but perhaps you know it so well that without intending to, you overlooked points that ought to be stated explicitly (if accurate):

    The chronological order was not that the abbey was constructed, its chapel was consecrated, some Catholics in Alabama eventually discovered that the new abbey was celebrating the traditional Latin Mass, and then traditional Catholics within a tolerable commuting distance became parishoners, was it?

    Wouldn't it be more accurate to write that some Catholics in Alabama discovered the traditional Latin Mass being celebrated by the clergy that would eventually reside in Cullman, became de facto parishoners, and for that reason, donated the bulk of the money used to construct the abbey, to which they lost access for the traditional Mass & sacraments after the prolonged illness and death of the de facto abbot (who I assume is the aforementioned Fr. Leonard), because his death made possible a Novus Ordo coup by relatively newly arrived opportunistic young clergy who knew perfectly well what a subversive act of disloyalty and disenfranchisement they were committing.

    So as I recall what I've read, those parishioners who regrouped have already paid quite recently to build a site in which to attend the traditional Latin Mass and receive the traditional sacraments: Christ the King Abbey in Cullman.

    Please correct me if I misunderstood the story[‡] and if this reply is mistaken on facts or draws invalid conclusions.

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    Note †: A search for "Cullman" & "Leonard" focused on <http://www.traditio.com/> (via the input slot for "advanced search" that's marked "At this Web site or domain:") might suffice. But I don't know if their version of the story might indulge in biases that reduce its accuracy.

    Note ‡: The story is really infuriating, even to myself, despite not being personally affected.  So maybe I indulged in waaay too much bold-face formatting.

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #7 on: March 27, 2017, 11:55:17 AM »
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  • Does this mean the Abbey is under the diocese? It's now affiliated with Una Voce?
    http://unavocenorthernalabama.com/parishes/


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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 02:34:30 AM »
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  • Does this mean the Abbey is under the diocese? It's now affiliated with Una Voce?
    http://unavocenorthernalabama.com/parishes/
    Yes. After the death of Fr. Leonard there was a reconciliation with the diocese of Birmingham. Part of the issue was that Fr. Leonard had failed to tell them that they were a sedevantist organization.  

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #9 on: March 17, 2019, 02:25:42 AM »
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  • I know this is two years late but I wanted to clearify something. Fr. Abbot was never sedivacantus. He refused to discuss his position with laymen because he said it would cause donations to stop. He was receiving money from both traditional Catholics and novus ordo. I know this because I was a nun there for five years. There was only myself and a brother who are sedivancatus. 

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #10 on: March 17, 2019, 05:00:59 AM »
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  • This is odd because I know of three current priests (at least one was ordained while at the abbey) who are sedevacantist and two of them (I have not met the third) claim that the Abbot was indeed a sedevacantist himself but believed that the issue was divisive and would not make any public statement.  Sedevacantism was not a requirement at the Abbey nor was it really an issue to be discussed.


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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #11 on: March 17, 2019, 03:02:50 PM »
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  • The other person who was sedivacantus was Brother John. Father Micheal was always on the line. He would claim to be sedivacantus but would then also agree with SPXX. It was a discussion that was brought up frequently because Sr. Veronica had wanted the convent to make a stand and claim to not be sedivacantus. The Abbot would claim that what mattered was that we follow the rule of St. Benedict and the dogmas of the Holy Church, everything else was "fluff." Like I said I was a nun there for five years and we were instructed to never state where we personally stand. I came from Mary Immaculate Catholic Church Omaha, Ne where we are all sedivancatus. But, it does not really matter now since the Abbey is changed and the monastery for the nuns has been shut down.

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #12 on: March 17, 2019, 04:05:31 PM »
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  • I understood that Fr. Leonard and Fr. LeBLanc of Our lady of the Sun, would phone each other.  Fr. LeBlanc being independent, was not sedevacantist at that time, but Fr. LeBlanc did accept the Sedevacantist position months before he died in 2006.  

    I understood at that time that Fr. Leonard had no position, and I also understood, he had a priest (?) with him for 20 years and he was the one who took over the Abbey to New Order when Fr. Leonard died.  I pictured this New Order priest was a silent infiltrator.  To bad.

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #13 on: March 20, 2019, 01:11:39 PM »
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  • You can hear much about the history of the Abbey from one of the monks who lived there at Restoration Radio:

    https://www.truerestoration.org/season-ii-the-spiritual-life-episode-0-introduction-show/
    The link doesn't work. 

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    Re: Christ the King Abbey, Alabama
    « Reply #14 on: March 20, 2019, 01:19:35 PM »
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    I understood at that time that Fr. Leonard had no position, and I also understood, he had a priest (?) with him for 20 years and he was the one who took over the Abbey to New Order when Fr. Leonard died.  I pictured this New Order priest was a silent infiltrator.  To bad.
    The abbey quickly made a deal with the diocese after Fr Leonard died.  Infiltration would be the only explanation.

     

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