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Offline tradlover

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« on: October 12, 2011, 06:24:38 PM »
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  • Can someone explain to me the concept of the Social Reign of Christ the King? how is this applicable here in America?


    Offline curiouscatholic23

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    « Reply #1 on: October 12, 2011, 06:48:32 PM »
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  • All authority comes through Christ, whether that be parental authority, law enforcement authority, military authority, or even civil authority like kings, queens, presidents, and senators.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 12, 2011, 07:34:38 PM »
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  • The civil law cannot contravene the divine (i.e., Catholic) law, and more than this, the state has the obligation and duty to protect and promote the one true religion, while suppressing those false sects which lead to the destruction of both soul and society.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #3 on: October 12, 2011, 08:18:54 PM »
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  • The Social Reign of Christ the King (also called the Social Kingship of Christ) is when the government follows the Laws of God. This includes making things such as abortion and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity illegal, and supporting the Catholic Faith while also, as Seraphim said, supressing all the false religions.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 12, 2011, 08:27:08 PM »
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  • This encyclical is worth reading.


    ON THE FEAST OF CHRIST THE KING
    QUAS PRIMAS

    ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS Xl DECEMBER 11, 1925


    http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11PRIMA.HTM



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    « Reply #5 on: October 12, 2011, 08:27:46 PM »
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    ...how is this applicable here in America?


    The United States is fundamentally anti-Christ in just about every way that can be evaluated.  I think that if the citizens of the United States were to "convert" and it were to become "Catholic," it would not exist.  That is to say, it would be something fundamentally different, based on a completely different understanding of its history, a completely different body of laws and concepts, a completely different way of owning property and using it, a completely different way of social interaction, a completely different economy, a completely different set of hobbies and activities, a completely different form of social organisation, &c.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 01:54:55 AM »
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  • Im more of a separation of Church and State kind of guy. I don't believe that God intended for human beings to impose God's laws on other human beings. God wanted humanity to have free-will so that we can choose him. He doesn't want us to be forced into Him. Yeah I wouldn't mind a Catholic State, but what I would really like to see would be a Catholic controlled government who is more libertarian. Only this Catholic controlled government rules by means of agenda as opposed to by upholding laws on people who don't believe in God. So I would like to see a government who imposes Catholic Agenda on its people.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 02:19:42 AM »
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    Im more of a separation of Church and State kind of guy. I don't believe that God intended for human beings to impose God's laws on other human beings. God wanted humanity to have free-will so that we can choose him. He doesn't want us to be forced into Him.


    I hope you are kidding?

    Pope Pius IX in his Syllabus Errorum, condemned proposition:
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    55. The Church ought to be separated from the .State, and the State from the Church.—Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852.



    In any case, the Church never forces anybody to convert to the true faith. This has absolutely nothing the do with the union of Church and State, even though the supporters of religious liberty always seem to bring it up...
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus


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    « Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 08:57:01 AM »
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    Im more of a separation of Church and State kind of guy. I don't believe that God intended for human beings to impose God's laws on other human beings. God wanted humanity to have free-will so that we can choose him. He doesn't want us to be forced into Him. Yeah I wouldn't mind a Catholic State, but what I would really like to see would be a Catholic controlled government who is more libertarian. Only this Catholic controlled government rules by means of agenda as opposed to by upholding laws on people who don't believe in God. So I would like to see a government who imposes Catholic Agenda on its people.


    This is by far the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum. You can't separate God from His creation, do you have any idea of how ridiculous and heretical it is to say something like that?

    God intended for governments to obey His Laws. To say He doesn't expect His Laws to be taught to others is an incredibly naive statement. Pius IX, as Pyrrhos pointed out, condemned separation of Church and state.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 13, 2011, 02:08:40 PM »
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    Im more of a separation of Church and State kind of guy. I don't believe that God intended for human beings to impose God's laws on other human beings. God wanted humanity to have free-will so that we can choose him. He doesn't want us to be forced into Him. Yeah I wouldn't mind a Catholic State, but what I would really like to see would be a Catholic controlled government who is more libertarian. Only this Catholic controlled government rules by means of agenda as opposed to by upholding laws on people who don't believe in God. So I would like to see a government who imposes Catholic Agenda on its people.


    This is by far the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum. You can't separate God from His creation, do you have any idea of how ridiculous and heretical it is to say something like that?

    God intended for governments to obey His Laws. To say He doesn't expect His Laws to be taught to others is an incredibly naive statement. Pius IX, as Pyrrhos pointed out, condemned separation of Church and state.


    I think you are blowing things out of proportion. I never said that the government should not promote Catholic teachings. As a matter of fact I was saying that they should.

    I don't think that the government should uphold laws that reflect Catholic Teachings on people. People have free-will and the they should have the choice to accept or reject the Catholic Faith. If the government started to uphold [Catholic] laws on people then the government would be forcing people into Catholicism.

    You are Stupid.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 02:26:31 PM »
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    I think you are blowing things out of proportion. I never said that the government should not promote Catholic teachings. As a matter of fact I was saying that they should.

    I don't think that the government should uphold laws that reflect Catholic Teachings on people. People have free-will and the they should have the choice to accept or reject the Catholic Faith. If the government started to uphold [Catholic] laws on people then the government would be forcing people into Catholicism.

    You are Stupid.


    Are you a Trad I.F.? Regardless, you should do more reading than what is put out to us in secular/N.O. schools and the media. There's a lot more to this, from a truly Catholic viewpoint, than what you seem to think.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 03:39:21 PM »
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    I think you are blowing things out of proportion. I never said that the government should not promote Catholic teachings. As a matter of fact I was saying that they should.

    I don't think that the government should uphold laws that reflect Catholic Teachings on people. People have free-will and the they should have the choice to accept or reject the Catholic Faith. If the government started to uphold [Catholic] laws on people then the government would be forcing people into Catholicism.

    You are Stupid.


    Are you a Trad I.F.? Regardless, you should do more reading than what is put out to us in secular/N.O. schools and the media. There's a lot more to this, from a truly Catholic viewpoint, than what you seem to think.


    Well maybe your right. My thoughts are that people are stating that Catholic Law should be incorporated into Government law. To me that means that people should be required by Law to go to mass at least one time a year and celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The Church teaches that we should go to Reconciliation at least one time a year, and if Church Law should be incorporated into Government Law then it would be illegal for everyone to break this law. This would be similar to Sharia Law where Muslim Laws are incorporated into Government Laws, and women are forced to cover their faces by the Government because of religious beliefs. I do not believe the Government should play this type of role in society. Not even if it meant Catholic Teachings incorporated into Government Laws like how Muslims incorporate Sharia Law.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 04:02:58 PM »
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    I think you are blowing things out of proportion. I never said that the government should not promote Catholic teachings. As a matter of fact I was saying that they should.


    And I never claimed you said that.

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    I don't think that the government should uphold laws that reflect Catholic Teachings on people. People have free-will and the they should have the choice to accept or reject the Catholic Faith. If the government started to uphold [Catholic] laws on people then the government would be forcing people into Catholicism.


    This right here is what I disagree with. Using your logic, we should never try to convert anyone because they have a free will. It's our duty as Catholics to spread the truth, and the truth is that the Catholic Church is the One True Church. And just because you uphold God's Laws does not mean you must also force people to become Catholics. The government should recommend that everyone become Catholic, but it's impossible to convert everyone.

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    You are Stupid.


    No, your comment is what's stupid. And if you can't debate without attacking my character then you should back out of the argument.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 04:10:40 PM »
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    I think you are blowing things out of proportion. I never said that the government should not promote Catholic teachings. As a matter of fact I was saying that they should.


    And I never claimed you said that.

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    I don't think that the government should uphold laws that reflect Catholic Teachings on people. People have free-will and the they should have the choice to accept or reject the Catholic Faith. If the government started to uphold [Catholic] laws on people then the government would be forcing people into Catholicism.


    This right here is what I disagree with. Using your logic, we should never try to convert anyone because they have a free will. It's our duty as Catholics to spread the truth, and the truth is that the Catholic Church is the One True Church. And just because you uphold God's Laws does not mean you must also force people to become Catholics. The government should recommend that everyone become Catholic, but it's impossible to convert everyone.

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    You are Stupid.


    No, your comment is what's stupid. And if you can't debate without attacking my character then you should back out of the argument.


    Yes we should try to convert people. I just don't believe that the Government should try to convert people. The only thing I think that Government should do is spread Catholic Agenda. The Government should put down Communist, Socialist, gαy, and Liberal Agenda in the media and replace it with Catholic Agenda. I don't think the government should create laws and uphold laws that force people into going to mass at least once of year (for example).

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    « Reply #14 on: October 13, 2011, 04:17:17 PM »
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  • I never said the government should force people into becoming Catholic. They can convert alot of people merely by making abortion, socialism, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, liberalism, etc. illegal.

    Let me clarify my postition: A Catholic government that enforces the Laws of God and rebukes evils. I never said they should force people to be Catholic. That's something I myself wouldn't mind given that I am already Catholic, but I'd imagine the only way people could be forced to be Catholic is by Catholic Monarchy.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.