Author Topic: Chat Rosary (Read 2058 times)

Jaynek · « **on:** July 23, 2011, 11:40:11 AM »

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I don't think we need any more traditional Catholic fora.

They're popping up like mushrooms these days.

Can't traditional Catholics get along enough to keep it to 3 or 4?

Or are we that pathetic with our charity and patience that we need to have 20 different fora/cliques with 75 members each? Come on, guys!

We're not THAT big of a group.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2011, 12:00:24 PM »

And you know, I'm going to say that some of these fora are started in a "I'm going to take my toys and go play over there instead. Hmph!" spirit.

Why do I say that, when I started a forum myself?

Well, you see, it's simple. It's a question of different "markets". If you can define your forum as meeting a need that isn't being met, then fine -- you're simply filling a need.

For example, CathInfo is for
* more serious discussion
*serious/"Integral" Catholics (who don't fit in out there in "the world" because of their choices for recreation, dress, musical taste, bearing, language, strong Catholic beliefs, etc.)
* Those who are at least open-minded to the idea of cօռspιʀαcιҽs
* Those who want a more liberal moderation style -- more "variety" of members, etc.
* Those who are at least somewhat into being prepared (not saying we're all card-carrying survivalists, but most members at least understand why and don't blame those who stock a bit of extra food)
etc.

I wouldn't say that's the same market as Fisheaters, for example. Hence the need for a different forum.

But if there is already another forum with exactly the same target audience (I mean, the same type of people in the same target audience) then WHY start yet another forum? Personality conflict? Emotions? Hurt feelings?

Honestly, I'd like to know.

Jaynek · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2011, 12:08:07 PM »

Fish Eaters was shut down. The Chat Rosary was one of its best features and I hope to see it preserved. It is a way for people who are far apart to pray the Rosary together. People do not need to join IANP to participate in the Rosary.

If you give me permission, I would like to repost the information about it.

Jaynek · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2011, 12:41:47 PM »

IANP is not in competition with CathInfo. It has a different target audience. It is for former FE members who might not be comfortable here (although some people will be at both places). The Rosary is something that most traditional Catholics have in common and I thought some CI members would like to pray with us.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:01:56 PM »

I understand the FE is shut down, and that a "replacement" is called for.

I am also well aware that CI and FE have a different target audience, flavor, ethos, etc.

Doesn't Incorruptibles, Ignis Ardens, Trent Forum, etc. etc. have a chat function?

The latter in particular is a *complete rip off* of Fisheaters, and was started before FE shut down, so one can't say it's just trying to fill the void -- because when the forum started, a void didn't exist. It seemed to be after *precisely* the same audience as FE. They might as well have made a subforum called "Pig Roast" -- but instead they came up with synonyms for all the subfora on Fisheaters, to make it SLIGHTLY less obvious.

In my opinion, if one has to start a new message board on a "free" forum hosting service, that it should be taken as an objective sign that God isn't calling one to start a traditional Catholic forum.

The Curt Jester · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:09:06 PM »

You could have just answered the question with a 'No, you may not re-post the information.'

Judging by your posts, you do not know exactly the circuмstances in which the board was set up. There is no need to start a temporary board by paying for it. A free board can always be dumped (as I'm sure you know) and transferred to better hosting if necessary. As the future of FE is unknown, however, there is no need to do so. It would be, potentially, a waste of time and money on the part of the person running it.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:27:22 PM »

Quote from: The Curt Jester

You could have just answered the question with a 'No, you may not re-post the information.'

Judging by your posts, you do not know exactly the circuмstances in which the board was set up. There is no need to start a temporary board by paying for it. A free board can always be dumped (as I'm sure you know) and transferred to better hosting if necessary. As the future of FE is unknown, however, there is no need to do so. It would be, potentially, a waste of time and money on the part of the person running it.

Which board are you referring to?

I think it's obvious why TF was set up.

Sherlock Holmes:
"When all other possibilities have been eliminated, whatever is left, however improbable, has to be the truth."

The board certainly wasn't set up to attract different people, or a different flavor of posts. Let's see -- the forum was set up with the same exact sub-fora as FE!

So it has to be a personality conflict -- whether they were at fault for the conflict or not. (i.e., it could have been 100% Quis or Vox) but the board was born from personality conflict nonetheless. That is not a good reason to start a forum.

Jaynek · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:31:12 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I understand the FE is shut down, and that a "replacement" is called for.

I am also well aware that CI and FE have a different target audience, flavor, ethos, etc.

Doesn't Incorruptibles, Ignis Ardens, Trent Forum, etc. etc. have a chat function?

The latter in particular is a *complete rip off* of Fisheaters, and was started before FE shut down, so one can't say it's just trying to fill the void -- because when the forum started, a void didn't exist. It seemed to be after *precisely* the same audience as FE. They might as well have made a subforum called "Pig Roast" -- but instead they came up with synonyms for all the subfora on Fisheaters, to make it SLIGHTLY less obvious.

We had several threads on FE in the last week or so about what to do if the forum shut down. We discussed various scenarios and options. Some people felt that a large influx of FE refugees would cause problems and resentment to a pre-existing forum and that starting a new one would be better.

Some people preferred to join an existing forum. Incorruptibles no longer exists. Nobody mentioned Trent Forum and I have never heard of it before your post. Some people have gone to Ignis Ardens and others, who are comfortable here, are here. Angel Queen is not accepting new members. I can't think of any other options mentioned.

There is no question of "I am going to take my toys and play over there" at IANP. Its membership consists of people who would have stayed on FE if we could. We are hoping to return if we can.

The Curt Jester · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:41:31 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: The Curt Jester
You could have just answered the question with a 'No, you may not re-post the information.'

Judging by your posts, you do not know exactly the circuмstances in which the board was set up. There is no need to start a temporary board by paying for it. A free board can always be dumped (as I'm sure you know) and transferred to better hosting if necessary. As the future of FE is unknown, however, there is no need to do so. It would be, potentially, a waste of time and money on the part of the person running it.

Which board are you referring to?

I think it's obvious why TF was set up.

Sherlock Holmes:
"When all other possibilities have been eliminated, whatever is left, however improbable, has to be the truth."

The board certainly wasn't set up to attract different people, or a different flavor of posts. Let's see -- the forum was set up with the same exact sub-fora as FE!

So it has to be a personality conflict -- whether they were at fault for the conflict or not. (i.e., it could have been 100% Quis or Vox) but the board was born from personality conflict nonetheless. That is not a good reason to start a forum.

I was referring to IANP, the temporary replacement board for FE members until they decide where they're going or what. It actually fits what you were describing (free, 'replacement board') so I figured you were talking about that, especially considering Jayne's post (I assume) mentioned it.

Jaynek · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:53:43 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I think it's obvious why TF was set up.

Sherlock Holmes:
"When all other possibilities have been eliminated, whatever is left, however improbable, has to be the truth."

The board certainly wasn't set up to attract different people, or a different flavor of posts. Let's see -- the forum was set up with the same exact sub-fora as FE!

So it has to be a personality conflict -- whether they were at fault for the conflict or not. (i.e., it could have been 100% Quis or Vox) but the board was born from personality conflict nonetheless. That is not a good reason to start a forum.

I am a bit confused here. You think that Trent Forum was set up for a bad reason so you aren't letting me publicize a chat Rosary on IN AETERNUM NON PECCABIS which was set up for a good reason? There must be some misunderstanding.

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:59:28 PM »

Any forum that intends to only be a "backup board" should proudly mention the board it's serving as a backup for --

I went over there (TF), and the few threads I clicked on referred to FE as "the other forum" and didn't even mention it by name, nevermind any prominent links to it.

I'm not stupid. It was not set up by those "staying loyal" to FE.

Regarding the other forum (subject of this thread) -- I've done a bit of advertising in my day, so I recognize it when I see it.

What you have in the original post is a plausible (who can be against the Rosary?), non-spammy way to advertise your new forum. I've done posts like this myself, so I recognize it :) Kudos for not resorting to outright spam.

Matthew

Jaynek · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2011, 02:09:27 PM »

Could you please delete this thread? If it is not going to let people know about the chat Rosary, all it does is accuse me of using the Rosary as an advertising ploy.

Someone1776 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2011, 02:10:19 PM »

I guarantee you Jayne is not trying to advertise another board. That's not how she rolls.

But, you're the boss here...

So, perhaps this board could setup its own "chat rosary" if there is concern about using another site's chat?

Jayne wrote a nice article a bit ago about the "chat rosary." Here it is for those curious:

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Some people claim that trads just want to live in the past. I disagree. Valuing tradition is not the same as living in the past. It means connecting the present with the past and bringing the past to the future...

Every Saturday evening we use the chat room so that people all over the world can pray the Rosary together in real time. I did not expect this to work before I tried it. I expected that the computer would distract me from the prayers, but instead it seems to help me to focus better. The leader types the name of each prayer. Each of us at our individual computers prays it. Another person types the “Amen” and we go on to the next prayer.

One thing that I have always liked about praying the Rosary is my sense of being connected to all the people who have prayed it over the centuries. It helps me to feel close to my ancestors in faith and to understand myself as a member of a Church that transcends time. When praying the chat Rosary, I also experience the Church transcending space. I pray with.. [others] who live far away from me. I am unlikely to meet many of them in this world, but still we can unite our prayers and come before God together. This time has become one of the highlights of my week.

It is a time of juxtaposed contrasts. The old prayer is joined to the new technology. I am spiritually close with brothers and sisters who are physically distant. My small existence touches the vastness of God.

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2011, 02:30:38 PM »

How about you just drop it then.

You're welcome to stay and socialize here -- just don't treat CI as a hunting grounds to poach yourself some members and jump-start your own personal message boards/chat rooms.

You should only stick around if you actually want to be a member here.

Jaynek keeps mentioning "for those who feel comfortable here" -- I don't know who would/should be uncomfortable here -- maybe if you're working to infiltrate the Church or something one might get a bit hot under the collar -- but any good Catholics should be fine.

Matthew · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2011, 02:40:11 PM »

I'll look into setting up a chat here.

A few people have requested that in the past anyhow -- maybe now's a good time!