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Offline Cantarella

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From: https://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2015/02/11/a-brief-rebuttal-to-cardinal-marx-romans-hated-catholic-extremism-too/

Cardinal Marx made news of late with his statements to American audiences that traditional Catholicism was dangerous because of its “black and white” view of the Faith, which would lead to sentiments that bread terrorism.

So I was thinking about that last night, and I recalled how often in reading about the lives of the Saints, they were castigated, tortured, and killed by Roman authorities for being so black and white, narrow-minded, and extremist in their views.  That was the major Roman complaint about Christianity: not that it was another religion.  They had no problem with that at all. Their problem with it was that Christianity preached an exclusive Faith, a Faith that would allow no other.  The Romans had a great pantheon of “gods,” and were happy to insert Jesus Christ among them, so long as Christians recognized the other pretend gods, and especially the god-hood of the emperor.

Hasn’t this always been “the trouble with Christians?”  Our exclusivist views, our demands for conversion, our refusal to pretend that other gods are efficacious of anything holy?  Did not Saint Paul say “All the gods of the gentiles are devils?”   And hasn’t there always been – at least since Constantine recognized the Faith and stopped persecuting it – a strong temptation among many in the Church to go along to get along with the world?  How else should we view Cardinal Marx’s comments, then?  He pretends not to touch doctrine, but his comments are rife with reference to the world, to those fallen away, to those who, for whatever reason, fail to accord their lives in major ways to the belief of the Church.  His rhetoric, his objectives – which are also those of Cardinal Kasper, Baldisseri, Rodriguez, and too many others to list – are exactly the kind of thing so many martyrs died to prevent.

Saint Agnes died rather than allow herself to be corrupted even slightly in morals. Saint Barbara was killed by her own father because she refused to sacrifice the virginity she had consecrated to Christ. St. Margaret Mary Alocoque turned down numerous offers of marriage and worldly honors and riches in order to spend her life serving Christ in a cloister.  The world, in its false wisdom, looks on these young lives lost to death or “waste” and thinks they are crazy, deluded.  But Catholics know better.  Or did.  And I could literally go through thousands of other examples.

But today, the German Church, with plenty of allies from other regions, is pushing to destroy the entire moral edifice of the Faith in the pursuance of their own worldly interest – in this case, filthy lucre.  Or, at least, that’s certainly how it appears to all the world, all the talk of mercy notwithstanding (and which is utterly denied to those who fail to pay the “sacred” church tax).

I know virtue demands we not make sweeping judgments of other’s character, but I cannot help feeling that men like Cardinal Marx have lost the Faith, or never had it in the first place.  They simply do not get it.  I’m a convert, and I know I have a lot of holes in my understanding of the Faith, and even more putting that understanding into practice, and yet even I recognize Marx, Kasper, and all their ilk seem to have truly lost the plot. Heck, my non-Catholic parents and family recognize that.  There is not even a remote sense of the kind of passion and intense love in these political creatures as there was in the great Saints of the past – or the present, for that matter.  Although ours is a time noted for its paucity of Saints, a few notable exceptions excluded.

I know I’m restating the obvious for many folks, but I think this does need to be said over and over and over again.  So many of these leaders pushing for the final, irrevocable revolution in the Church seem just utterly cut off from the example of the Apostles they are called, and duty bound, to uphold.

May God have mercy on them, and us.
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A brief rebuttal to Cardinal Marx: Romans hated Catholic extremism, too
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  • Car'nal Marx has to be a leading candidate for "Pope" once the Russians come through...
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