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Catholics are not allowed to speak of religion to non-Catholics
« on: January 15, 2016, 10:12:54 PM »
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  • I seem to remember reading somewhere that Catholics are not allowed to speak of religion to non-Catholics that are obstinate and have rejected Catholicism, i don't mean disputing/debating/arguing/etc., but simply conversing about religion/God/spirituality with them, having conversations without any effort or intention to convert them or point out their errors and things like that. I can't remember at all where it was but i think im sure i did read it in some pre-Vatican 2 book. I think there was actually some penalty for doing this.

    Does anyone have any idea?

    It's not Mortalium Animos because this deals specifically with public gatherings, conventions etc. of many people and things of that nature, not with simple private conversations.


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    « Reply #1 on: January 15, 2016, 10:59:37 PM »
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  • Catholics are not allowed to speak of religion to non-Catholics  
     

    This is nonsense. How do the non Catholics learn about is if we remain silent?


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    « Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 12:59:11 AM »
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    Catholics are not allowed to speak of religion to non-Catholics  
     

    This is nonsense. How do the non Catholics learn about is if we remain silent?


    I specified in my post that I was referring to obstinate non-Catholics or those who have already rejected Catholicism.

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    Catholics are not allowed to speak of religion to non-Catholics
    « Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 01:44:07 AM »
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  • I guess it might have something to do with casting pearls before swine.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 03:06:34 AM »
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  • The principle that Catholics would be forbidden from coercion of non-Catholics is contained in Vatican II docuмents.  It was one of the Vat.II novelties.  It was a way of making the intention to seek conversions into a nefarious or repugnant agenda, as if it violates the privacy of pagans or whatever.  The current program of Pope Francis is merely the latest development of this false principle.  

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    « Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 04:25:40 AM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
    Quote from: poche
    Catholics are not allowed to speak of religion to non-Catholics  
     

    This is nonsense. How do the non Catholics learn about is if we remain silent?


    I specified in my post that I was referring to obstinate non-Catholics or those who have already rejected Catholicism.


    We should be prudent. But at the same time I will be happy to talk about the Catholic Faith to any body who is willing to listen.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 06:49:39 AM »
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  • I think I see what you are getting at OP.  It made me think of "dusting off one's sandals".  I don't know what docuмent you may be referring to, but I think the idea is that it is more dangerous to our own faith to converse with such people.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 06:56:23 AM »
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  • Just searched the interwebz and found this:

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/ecuмenism/noncath.htm



    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 08:18:00 AM »
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    Just searched the interwebz and found this:

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/ecuмenism/noncath.htm


    Clearly, most of what is on this website is not possible in a non-Catholic society.

    It can be dangerous to expose oneself to non-Catholic doctrines which necessarily happens when one discusses the faith with non-Catholics.  So one who is not very knowledgeable should not be debating with non-Catholics in an attempt to convert them.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 09:24:39 AM »
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  • CODEX IURIS CANONICI
    CAN. 1325.
       § 3. Caveant catholici ne disputationes vel collationes, publicas praesertim, cuм acatholicis habeant, sine venia Sanctae Sedis aut, si casus urgeat, loci Ordinarii.

    Catholics are to avoid disputations or conferences about matters of faith with non-Catholics, especially in public, unless the Holy See, or in case of emergency the Ordinary of the place, has given permission (c. 1325, §3).
    Omnes pro Christo

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    « Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 09:25:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Quote from: 2Vermont
    Just searched the interwebz and found this:

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/ecuмenism/noncath.htm


    Clearly, most of what is on this website is not possible in a non-Catholic society.

    It can be dangerous to expose oneself to non-Catholic doctrines which necessarily happens when one discusses the faith with non-Catholics.  So one who is not very knowledgeable should not be debating with non-Catholics in an attempt to convert them.


    Quote from: 2Vermont
    I think I see what you are getting at OP.  It made me think of "dusting off one's sandals".  I don't know what docuмent you may be referring to, but I think the idea is that it is more dangerous to our own faith to converse with such people.


    You're both misunderstanding what I'm saying.

    I'm talking about someone who is Catholic and has no doubt about anything, talking about religion and God etc. to a Protestant as if the Protestant were another catholic, without any attempt of pointing out his errors etc. It's not debating or arguing.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 09:28:42 AM »
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  • You're right. I don't understand what you're saying.  I thought the link I gave responded to what you were saying.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 09:30:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie
    CODEX IURIS CANONICI
    CAN. 1325.
       § 3. Caveant catholici ne disputationes vel collationes, publicas praesertim, cuм acatholicis habeant, sine venia Sanctae Sedis aut, si casus urgeat, loci Ordinarii.

    Catholics are to avoid disputations or conferences about matters of faith with non-Catholics, especially in public, unless the Holy See, or in case of emergency the Ordinary of the place, has given permission (c. 1325, §3).


    This encyclical may be of interest to you
    http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Pope/Pius_XI/On_The_Promotion_of_True_Religious_Unity,_January_6,_1928.html

        "The faithful are bound to profess their faith openly whenever under the circuмstances silence, evasion, or their manner of acting would otherwise implicitly amount to a denial of the faith, or would involve contempt of religion, an offense to God, or scandal to the neighbor (c. 1325, §1)."  - Commentary on Canon Law
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    « Reply #13 on: January 16, 2016, 10:34:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
    I'm talking about someone who is Catholic and has no doubt about anything, talking about religion and God etc. to a Protestant as if the Protestant were another catholic, without any attempt of pointing out his errors etc. It's not debating or arguing.


    These are the "weak Catholics" that give strength to Satan's reign. And to make things worse these "weak Catholics" maintain intimate relationships with them. Causing serious scandal.

    I have unfortunately seen many go from "weak Catholic" to total apostate as a result. But of course this would be just judgment.