Author Topic: Catholic Voting Guide (Read 22796 times)

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2016, 11:01:58 AM »

Voting gives the American public a false illusion of choice. Nearly all the candidates are identical. The difference between Democrats and Republicans grows smaller every year . People have said jokingly that it's only a matter of time before Republicans are saying gαy marriage was always a conservative value. We have already reached that stage. Voting is a rigged game and it won't change anytime soon.

B from A · « **Reply #31 on:** February 06, 2016, 02:40:27 PM »

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But we DO have a choice to refrain from voting, or to write in a candidate. Until people realize this, evil will forever be voted in, and the degradation of society will continue.

Right. Not to mention there have sometimes been good or decent candidates in other parties, actually on the ballot, for whom one can vote in good conscience. So to pretend the supposedly "lesser of 2 evils" candidate of one of the 2 mainstream parties is the only option is false. But the powers that be have [I am trying really hard to refrain from using the word "brainwashed"] convinced the "conservatives" that they must vote for these rotten "lesser of 2 evils" candidates because it's supposedly the only way to keep out the apparently greater evil, it's become the biggest self-fulfilling prophecy ever. Because of this, as you said well, "Until people realize this, evil will forever be voted in, and the degradation of society will continue."

Not to mention that

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Voting gives the American public a false illusion of choice. Nearly all the candidates are identical. The difference between Democrats and Republicans grows smaller every year . People have said jokingly that it's only a matter of time before Republicans are saying gαy marriage was always a conservative value. We have already reached that stage. Voting is a rigged game and it won't change anytime soon.

It is truly rigged. Another reason not to vote for an evil candidate.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #32 on:** February 06, 2016, 08:53:44 PM »

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So likewise, you wouldn't support someone who is only in favor of killing disabled children or children who were the result of rape.

In answer to your first question, Mater. I would never vote for a candidate who supports any abortion whatsoever.

What is this only the disabled and only the child conceived in rape?
Is (being in favour of) the killing of a disabled child or a child of rape any less heinous than (being in favour of) killing a presumedly healthy child or a child conceived within marriage?

I said "only" to point out how ridiculous it would be to vote for someone with abortion "exceptions" if this is indeed the correct application of the double effect principle. I hear people on this forum talk every four years about how none of us should vote for anyone (and some arguing the opposite), but seldom do they reference a principle and apply it to the situation. It's most commonly just one guy's opinion vs. another.

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So, my next question is whether or not there is any amount of good positions in line with the natural law a candidate could have which would be sufficient to override the evil of being in favor of any sort of abortion?

No. "Any amount of good positions in line with the natural law" could not overide the evil of supporting abortion in any circuмstance. Isn't abortion the killing of the innocent child that God Himself decreed should live on this earth? How could such a person who is willing to support abortion represent us, our needs and our beliefs etc? He is not fit to do so. No Catholic ought to vote for him.

Alright. (... and I'd like to hear if anyone disagrees with any of this.)

Now, is there any other issue in which it could also be said that no amount of good would compensate for the evil inherent in supporting the position?

MaterDominici · « **Reply #33 on:** February 06, 2016, 08:55:27 PM »

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Voting gives the American public a false illusion of choice. Nearly all the candidates are identical. The difference between Democrats and Republicans grows smaller every year . People have said jokingly that it's only a matter of time before Republicans are saying gαy marriage was always a conservative value. We have already reached that stage. Voting is a rigged game and it won't change anytime soon.

It is truly rigged. Another reason not to vote for an evil candidate.

I think the higher up you go, the greater chance of this being the case, but I don't think it's true of every election, everywhere.

B from A · « **Reply #34 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:24:42 PM »

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It is truly rigged.

I think the higher up you go, the greater chance of this being the case, but I don't think it's true of every election, everywhere.

Yes; I am speaking mainly of presidential elections here. I don't know about local elections etc. As you said, it's probably more & more so the higher up you go.