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Title: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: monka966 on June 25, 2019, 11:05:35 AM
There was an interesting discussion on this topic here maybe a year ago? Would someone please refresh my memory? Thank you and God bless.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: songbird on June 25, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
Ah!  The book, "The cινιℓ ωαr Diary of Father James Sheeran is excellent!  It will answer your questions of just how the Catholic Priest were in their actions compared to those of the North!  It is by Patrick J. Hayes  Very thick book of 565 pages.

My husband has read many cινιℓ ωαr books and has shared many with other men and they gab about the cινιℓ ωαr.  But of all the readings my husband has had, this book stands out the most!  He shares with me of the diary and it gives you a so much different view then what we get in history books from school and such.

This Fr. Sheeran does not have much respect for the Yankees, how they desecrated catholic churches of the South.  And of course he shows how the protestant ministers had nothing to offer the injured/dying soldiers, only the Catholics.

Have a Joy reading this book!
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Kazimierz on June 25, 2019, 12:05:25 PM
Thanks for the memory refresh about this book.

(http://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/black-confederates1/images/Confederate%20States%20of%20America%20Flag.gif)
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Incredulous on June 25, 2019, 02:07:24 PM


This priest was an Irish immigrant who initially settled in Michigan with his family, then moved to New Orleans for a late Redemptorist vocation, after his wife died.  He had a good background for understanding the culture and politics of combatants on both sides.

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Femergingcivilwar.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2Fsheeran-book-cover.jpg&f=1)
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: poche on June 26, 2019, 12:03:49 AM
It was in the fall of 1864 that Father O’Reilly first heard of Gen. William Tecuмseh Sherman’s plan to destroy the entire city of Atlanta by fire. Father O’Reilly was outraged and Patrick Lynch drove the priest to speak to Gen. Henry Slocuм, a subordinate of Gen. Sherman.
“In this meeting, Father O’Reilly argued that the order to burn homes and churches was beyond the normal confines of warfare,” Mears said. “Father O’Reilly pleaded for a compromise that would spare Atlanta’s five churches.”
At first Gen. Sherman rejected the priest’s proposal. But Father O’Reilly would not relent and reminded the general that many of his own troops were Catholics and would create a mutiny if Catholic churches were burned.
As a result of Father O’Reilly’s heroics, five churches in Atlanta—St. Philip Episcopal Church, Central Presbyterian Church, Trinity Methodist Church and Second Baptist Church, as well as the Catholic Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, were spared. In addition, Atlanta City Hall, the Fulton County Courthouse and a residential area between Mitchell and Peters streets were saved.

https://georgiabulletin.org/news/2007/03/city-honors-civil-war-priest-saved-downtown-churches/ (https://georgiabulletin.org/news/2007/03/city-honors-civil-war-priest-saved-downtown-churches/)
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Incredulous on June 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM


Wm.Tecuмseh Sherman was a freemasonic madman, but his wife was Catholic.

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biography.com%2F.image%2Ft_share%2FMTE1ODA0OTcxNzg0NjM1OTE3%2Fwilliam-tecuмseh-sherman-9482051-1-402.jpg&f=1)

One of his son's became a Jesuit priest and later was said to have committed ѕυιcιdє.

Such was the guilt of the father's injustices carried by his family.

After the war, Sherman became a vagabond, constantly on the move, unable to get employment.

And wouldn't you know it, the North's "slash & burn" strategy of the South was devised by the Jєωs via
European (Marxist) socialists recruited by Lincoln.

As the following historical lecture proves.

cινιℓ ωαr Radicals of the North (https://youtu.be/IsqiecpP180)


Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Simple on June 26, 2019, 11:04:25 AM
Thanks for sharing. 
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: songbird on June 26, 2019, 11:19:06 AM
thank You for all your posts!  It is so good to read truth!
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Incredulous on June 26, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
It was in the fall of 1864 that Father O’Reilly first heard of Gen. William Tecuмseh Sherman’s plan to destroy the entire city of Atlanta by fire. Father O’Reilly was outraged and Patrick Lynch drove the priest to speak to Gen. Henry Slocuм, a subordinate of Gen. Sherman.
“In this meeting, Father O’Reilly argued that the order to burn homes and churches was beyond the normal confines of warfare,” Mears said. “Father O’Reilly pleaded for a compromise that would spare Atlanta’s five churches.”
At first Gen. Sherman rejected the priest’s proposal. But Father O’Reilly would not relent and reminded the general that many of his own troops were Catholics and would create a mutiny if Catholic churches were burned.
As a result of Father O’Reilly’s heroics, five churches in Atlanta—St. Philip Episcopal Church, Central Presbyterian Church, Trinity Methodist Church and Second Baptist Church, as well as the Catholic Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, were spared. In addition, Atlanta City Hall, the Fulton County Courthouse and a residential area between Mitchell and Peters streets were saved.

https://georgiabulletin.org/news/2007/03/city-honors-civil-war-priest-saved-downtown-churches/ (https://georgiabulletin.org/news/2007/03/city-honors-civil-war-priest-saved-downtown-churches/)


Wow... Fr. O'Reilly was an ecuмenical priest then.

In deference to his Catholic wife, Gen. Sherman, should have burned St. Philip Episcopal, Central Presbyterian, Trinity Methodist and the Second Baptist Churches.

It would have likely retarded the growth of Atlanta's protestant heresies during the time of reconstruction.

Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Kazimierz on June 26, 2019, 03:50:21 PM
Better that all the damnYankee Unitarians and co. would have been divinely thumped. :fryingpan:

Lest I forget, let us call the conflict by its more appropriate monikers...

The War of Southern Independence
The War of Northern Aggression
The War of Southern Annihilation 

:cowboy:
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: songbird on June 26, 2019, 07:54:50 PM
Incredulous:   Ho does one see/view "The cινιℓ ωαr Radicals of the North"?
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: poche on June 27, 2019, 12:55:33 AM

Wm.Tecuмseh Sherman was a freemasonic madman, but his wife was Catholic.

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biography.com%2F.image%2Ft_share%2FMTE1ODA0OTcxNzg0NjM1OTE3%2Fwilliam-tecuмseh-sherman-9482051-1-402.jpg&f=1)

One of his son's became a Jesuit priest and later was said to have committed ѕυιcιdє.

Such was the guilt of the father's injustices carried by his family.

After the war, Sherman became a vagabond, constantly on the move, unable to get employment.

And wouldn't you know it, the North's "slash & burn" strategy of the South was devised by the Jєωs via
European (Marxist) socialists recruited by Lincoln.

As the following historical lecture proves.

cινιℓ ωαr Radicals of the North (https://youtu.be/IsqiecpP180)
His son became a Jesuit.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: poche on June 27, 2019, 12:57:16 AM

Wow... Fr. O'Reilly was an ecuмenical priest then.

In deference to his Catholic wife, Gen. Sherman, should have burned St. Philip Episcopal, Central Presbyterian, Trinity Methodist and the Second Baptist Churches.

It would have likely retarded the growth of Atlanta's protestant heresies during the time of reconstruction.
No, he was prudent. doing that saved the only Catholic church for miles around from being burned.  
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: poche on June 27, 2019, 01:09:16 AM

This priest was an Irish immigrant who initially settled in Michigan with his family, then moved to New Orleans for a late Redemptorist vocation, after his wife died.  He had a good background for understanding the culture and politics of combatants on both sides.

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Femergingcivilwar.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2Fsheeran-book-cover.jpg&f=1)
I read this diary. One thing that I think is interesting is that everyone who ran away during battle were in the state of mortal sin. All those who faced the battle bravely were in the state of sanctifying grace.  
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Incredulous on June 27, 2019, 06:16:56 AM
Incredulous:   Ho does one see/view "The cινιℓ ωαr Radicals of the North"?
  
Link (https://youtu.be/IsqiecpP180)

Songbird,  Is the video link not working?

When I clicked on it, it came up right away?
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Incredulous on June 27, 2019, 06:35:01 AM
Better that all the damnYankee Unitarians and co. would have been divinely thumped. :fryingpan:

Lest I forget, let us call the conflict by its more appropriate monikers...

The War of Southern Independence
The War of Northern Aggression
The War of Southern Annihilation

:cowboy:


Kaz,

These names don't seem quite sufficient in explaining who the perpetrators were and what their purpose was?


It was a prototype to ZOG (Zionist occupied government) which now plagues the world.

It should be more concise, but how about something along these lines?  


The American war of 1861 to 1865 was:

   1. A Marxist/Socialist/Freemasonic surrogate war intended to destroy the autonomy of the Southern States and put the nation under a central, judaic-controlled government.


Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Kazimierz on June 27, 2019, 08:12:04 AM
I doubt too many people will see the Judaic Masonic connection. I mention those monikers based on what I have come across in my studies and travels. :)

July the 4th for this bear will remain always as a memorial of the fall of Vicksburg MS in 1863.

As an Alberta secessionist/Groucho Marxist, July 1st is the Feast of the Most Precious Blood of DNIC. First, foremost and exclusively. :)
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: AlligatorDicax on June 28, 2019, 03:00:39 PM
I do have a highly on-topic reply, but today being already June 28, I offer a more urgent reply to the digression from a senior CathInfo member:


[....] July 1st is the Feast of the Most Precious Blood of DNIC.  First, foremost and exclusively. :)

No argument there.


July the 4th for this bear will remain always as a memorial of the fall of Vicksburg MS in 1863.

That date was one with which I wasn't familiar, but a trivial look-u, albeit to an iffy source, confirmed it:

Quote from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicksburg,_Mississippi

The surrender of Vicksburg by Confederate General John C. Pemberton on July 4, 1863, together with the defeat of General Robert E. Lee at Gettysburg the day before [i.e., July 3], has historically marked the turning point of the cινιℓ ωαr in the Union's favor.

From the surrender of Vicksburg until the end of the war in 1865, the area was under Union military occupation.[8]  Some accounts say that the residents of Vicksburg did not celebrate the national holiday Fourth of July again until 1945, after United States victory in World War II, but this is inaccurate.  Large Fourth of July celebrations were being held by 1907, and informal celebrations took place before that.[9][10]

So readers can easily see that July 3 is also skunked for Southerners.

But nooo problem:
That leaves U.S. citizens with by far the best day for celebrating the victory in the War for American Independence: July 2.

July 2 was the day on which the Continental Congress finally cast their formally unanimous final vote[#] in favor of independence from Great Britain.  The requirement of unanimity had been previously adopted by Congressional vote, in a parliamentary maneuver by loyalists to the English Crown, who presumed that unanimity would be impossible to obtain.  July 4 was merely a paperwork day: It was the day that the Continental Congress finally voted to approve the latest draft of Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, whose revisions they had been arguing.

Signing the Declaration would predictably be treated by the English Crown as an act of treason, so out of all the Continental Congress, I believe only its secretary and president signed the Declaration as adopted on July 4  Most of the representatives delayed their signatures until August.

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Note #: The vote was formally unanimous because the representatives of New York abstained.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Kazimierz on June 28, 2019, 09:21:34 PM
I wouldnt mind celebrating Dominion Day here in Canada. Alas we got saddled with "Canada" day (barf), and the Liberal party at the time snuck in legislation to change the flag from the Red Ensign to the present Liberal Party flag, as we old monarchists call it.
Horrible national anthem esp the English version. French version is more religious. So really there are two anthems. 

Guess I will stick to whistlin' Dixie! :D :cowboy: and singing Alberta Bound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV1rtBnCeiw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV1rtBnCeiw)
Title: Rebel Bp. Verot/Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States [...]
Post by: AlligatorDicax on July 01, 2019, 06:01:44 PM
And nowww, back onto this topic:

    Rebel Bishop: The life and era of Augustin Verot.
    by Michael V. Gannon (Foreword by John Tracy Ellis).
    Imprimatur July 28, 1964: ✠ Joseph P. Hurley, Archbishop, Bishop of St. Augustine (Fla.).
    © 1964 Bruce Publishing Co. · Milwaukee, 267 pp.
    Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 64-23895.

Augustin Vérot was born in Le Puy, situated on the left bank of the Loire (River), France, on May 23, 1805[⚔].  Having been theologically educated as a member of the Society of St.Sulpice, he was ordained to the priesthood on Sept. 20, 1828.  He was assigned to the Sulpician College of St. Mary's in Baltimore (est. 1781), so he sailed "to America" on Aug. 1, 1830, believing in a plan that then would have him teaching there for only 7 years.  Instead, 23 years later, he was still a college instructor at a Sulpician school in Maryland, altho' he was by then quite well respected even outside its walls.  But changes in the college and his Sulpician superiors gave him strong urges for personal change; he was frustrated that he had not accomplished anything great for God and His Church.

Fr. Verot was pleased to arrange a transfer from teaching to pastoral work.  So as a 1st-time pastor at age 48, he would be practically starting over, at the Church of St. Paul in Ellicott Mills (Md.).  Arriving in 1853, he had no clue that pastoral work would prove to be his true calling.  The assignment included Doughoregan Manor, of the family of Charles Carroll of Carrollton[★].  And the manor's black slaves, whose confidence Verot won.  It was the last full year that the Missouri Compromis (1820) would be in effect; the Kansas-Nebraska Act (1854), which would cancel that compromise, was not quite 1 year in the future.

Baltimore, the capital and principal harbor of the only state originally founded as a colony for Roman Catholics, held the special honor of being the primatial see of the U.S.A.  Its archbishop, then Francis Patrick Kenrick, was certainly aware of Fr. Verot, who had served as 1 of the archbishop's 3 theological assistants at the 1st Plenary Council (of the U.S.A.), held in Baltimore in 1852.  So it seems not to have mattered that he had left teaching to become the "short, stout, and unpolished" shepherd of a rural parish.  Geography didn't provide a refuge from primatial attention, because it was only 10 mi. west of Baltimore.  Little did Verot know that in 1857, Abp. Kenrick had submitted his name for the vacant see of Savannah (Ga.), perhaps because the Vatican chose someone else.  So he was stunned to receive an official letter from Baltimore in early 1858, notifying him that the Vatican had chosen him to be the Vicar Apostolic of Florida, a new office which carried an episcopal dignity.  After his protests failed, he was consecrated titular bishop in Baltimore's cathedral on Apr. 25, 1858, several months short of 30 years after his ordination.  He arrived by ship at the vicariate's see, St. Augustine, on June 1, where despite the evening hour, he got "a very warm and cordial reception" (as he wrote to Abp. Kenrick).  Alas, "the country is very poor, & the people are not like the North, fond of giving to the church, even out of their poverty." (also to Kenrick, a few months later).  The most recent years of nominal rule of the Florida Peninsula by the Diocese of Savannah (1850--1857) had provided him with 3 diocesan priests and 3 missionary priests, to minister to 2 of the 3 parishes in the state, at St. Augustine and Jacksonville (but not Pensacola[@]), and 7 mission chapels, all in north Florida except for Key West[@@], plus a significant congregation in Tampa lacking a chapel.

His new rank qualified him as a voting delegate to the 9th Provincial Council of Baltimore in May 1858, where in its refusal to adopt a position on slavery, the assempled bishops continued officially not to take sides on secular political issues, a policy established by the 1st bishop of the U.S.A.[★].  That didn't mean that the bishops, lesser clergy, and laity hadn't formed opinions.  Nor did it prevent the Catholic press in the U.S.A. from publicly expressing nearly a consensus that abolitionism was a tool of Protestant ministers to support or provoke northern-nativist attacks against Catholics[×].  Roman Catholics were a small U.S. minority in the year of the historic Presidential election of 1860, barely more than 3 million, altho' loosely a 1000% increase from 1830[#].  For perspective, they were outnumbered in the U.S. population by black slaves.

On July 22, 1861, in a solemn consistory at the Vatican, Pope Pius IX assigned Bp. Verot to be ordinary of the Diocese of Savannah, whose boundaries were the same as the State of Georgia.  But he would be retained as vicar apostolic of Florida[@].  Transatlantic communication had been accelerated by the newfangled steamships, but it would take most of a month for news of the promotion, then the official letter from the Vatican, to reach the primatial see.  Verot was then visiting on vicariate business.  The promotion would equip the newly promoted ordinary with no more than a dozen priests total to administer the sacraments and preach the faith to Catholics in 2 states of the Confederacy.  So Verot would spend more of his efforts as an additional scarce priest than as an ordinary.  It would position him, in roughly 3 years (1864), to assign a few priests to minister to tens-of-thousands of gravely ill or dying Union prisoners at "Andersonville Prison", then travel there himself for the same duties; then to become the highest-ranking Catholic clergyman to share the destruction & suffering of the notorious "General Sherman Going Thro', ummm, the Diocese of Savannah"™ (Nov.--Dec. 1864).  He ministered in its wake, then learning its destination, rushed back to be in his see before Sherman completed his devastating "March to the Sea".   On the latter day (Dec. 21, 1864), Verot said Mass while the air was filled with the sound of cannon-fire and the "yells and hurrahs" of Yankees.

On Mar. 11, 1870, while Bp. Verot of Savannah was in Rome taking an active part in the 1st Vatican Council, Pope Pius IX elevated St. Augustine from a mere vicariate into a diocese, and assigned Verot there.  Augustin Vérot thus became the 1st "Bishop of St. Augustine".  A native Italian was assigned to replace him in Savannah.

Sigh.  I don't claim that this is a balanced summary of the priestly life of Bp. Verot, but it's past time to post what I've written.  Perhaps it will suffice to satisfy readers intrigued by this topic.

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Note ⚔: It might be interesting to correlate Verot's career with the actions of Emperor Napoleon (I), or events in the War of Yankee Aggression, but this has already become plenty long enough without that.

Note @@: Fernandina (Nassau Co., N. end of Amelia I.), Mandarin (far-S. Duval Co., E. bank of St. Johns R.), Mayport (Duval Co., S. bank of St. Johns Entrance), Middleburg (Clay Co., inland), Palatka (Putnam Co., W. bank of St. Johns R.), and Tallahassee.

Note ★: Charles Carroll of Carrollton was the only Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence.  Meanwhile, his brother (or cousin?) John was the 1st Bishop of Baltimore (1790--1815), therefore the 1st prelate in the U.S.A.

Note ×: The majority of Protestant clergy were in favor of the antiCatholic aspects of nativism, for which Gannon cites The Protestant Crusade, 1800--1860, by Ray Allen Billington.  The nativists were notorious for riots in which Catholic properties were severely damaged.  The classic examples were the burning of the Ursuline convent in Charlestown (Mass.) in 1834, and the riots in Philadelphia in 1844.

Note #: The "loosely a 1000% increase" was primarily from immigration, which was then mostly German and Irish.  It's my impression that the influx of Italians was postbellum.

Note @: Pensacola and all Florida land west of the Apalachicola River remained under the Diocese of Mobile (Ala.), in whose nominal care the entire peninsula had once been (1829--1850).
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Donachie on July 02, 2019, 06:14:31 PM
One could say that the "Union" was a better concept, and Sam Houston was right, but as far as I've been able to discover, Abe Lincoln was never baptized and was not and never a Christian. The communist volunteers from America involved in the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr were called the "Lincoln Brigades".

Father Abram Joseph Ryan was known as the "Poet of the Confederacy". The cινιℓ ωαr seems like a terrible mess, just ugly, and people try to find the ones with the most fault, hence, wherefore and whereas, "damned Yankees" they used to say. At least that's the way old Grand Dad used to hear it.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Donachie on July 02, 2019, 11:17:35 PM
one ancestor of mine lived from 1845-1928 and was in NBF's cavalry as a late teenager and at twenty and so forth. this fellow's from New York and his life ranged over the same period more or less, etc. John Andrus 1841-1934

it's the best footage of someone from that period i've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4as-u-qfEW8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4as-u-qfEW8)

smithsonian rebel yell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6jSqt39vFM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6jSqt39vFM)

et cetera
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Incredulous on July 03, 2019, 08:36:39 AM
One could say that the "Union" was a better concept, and Sam Houston was right, but as far as I've been able to discover, Abe Lincoln was never baptized and was not and never a Christian. The communist volunteers from America involved in the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr were called the "Lincoln Brigades".

Father Abram Joseph Ryan was known as the "Poet of the Confederacy". The cινιℓ ωαr seems like a terrible mess, just ugly, and people try to find the ones with the most fault, hence, wherefore and whereas, "damned Yankees" they used to say. At least that's the way old Grand Dad used to hear it.

Donachie, thanks for your posts!

I had a Catholic source, that witnessed Able Lincoln as a baptized Catholic, receiving the Sacraments in his home.

I believe it was a Father Cyr, a priest who covered a missionary route through Kentucky and kept a journal of his mission.

He used to go to Lincoln's father's home on his route and hear Confessions and celebrate Mass.
The story as published in the House Tops, but they now claim not to remember it?

The article said that Abe fell away from the Faith and became estranged from his family.
I believe it was Father Cyr who warned Abe to "pray his beads".
He failed to do so and even refused to visit his Father on his deathbed.

There have been accusations of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and that Abe got involved in secret societies. 
The homo connection could explain a behavior based on blackmail.

So Abe, with one year of college, went on to do exceedingly well.
In the 1830s he was on the campaign trail stumping for a Central Bank (Source: Dr. DiLorenzo, "The Real Lincoln").
(Smell any Jєωs yet?)

Lincoln went on to become president, set-up the cινιℓ ωαr and went on to prosecute it.
But he was surrounded by a more virulent ʝʊdɛօ-masonic group, known the Knights of the Golden Circle.

So when he was αssαssιnαtҽd, it was another set-up.  Here's a hint:
Have you ever wondered why John Wilkes Boothe's body was never photographed?
In those days, a trophy photo was common and Boothe was a big catch.

In any case, when the assassination news went international, two Catholic Bishops commented on it. One was in France.

Both claimed that Lincoln was Catholic and that he if had continued to practice his faith, his outcome would have been much different.

Today, Lincoln has been made into a secular saint by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonics.
They will fight viciously to cover-up or deny Lincoln was ever Catholic.

But Linclon's betrayal of his Catholic faith logically fits the ʝʊdɛօ-masonically engineered cινιℓ ωαr disaster that followed.

As we Catholics live in this world, we constantly harassed by the "children of the devil" until we die and face our eternity.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: songbird on July 03, 2019, 09:05:33 PM
Is it possible that Lincoln was a "Fifth Column"?  Those who supported Jєωs or was, were pretenders.  They went through all the sacraments, but were truly in secret doing Jєωιѕн rituals.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: poche on July 03, 2019, 11:20:28 PM
On a different track, there was a Fr. Foltier who during the Sunday mass used to offer the readings in English and French. This was in Louisiana.  
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: alaric on July 04, 2019, 05:49:12 AM
Is it possible that Lincoln was a "Fifth Column"?  Those who supported Jєωs or was, were pretenders.  They went through all the sacraments, but were truly in secret doing Jєωιѕн rituals.
I don't think he was by the mere fact he was αssαssιnαtҽd. Or that he was in the process of repatriating blacks back to Africa. This is a little known or repressed fact that is kept silent these days. Lincoln knew the force fed black slaves on the country was an eventual disaster. No nation, empire or culture has lasted with the institution of slavery within it.



Being a Northerner and cradle Catholic, I respect the South and it's resistance from northern aggression and they had some of the best generals in the war. but they were fighting a lost cause and Lincoln understood it.



Lincoln to me is one of the most fascinating and enigmatic figures in American history. you really can't just peg the guy for what he really was or believed in completely. Just a really strange and compelling individual.
But there's no doubt he was destined to change the course of this country forever.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Incredulous on July 04, 2019, 07:11:28 AM
On a different track, there was a Fr. Foltier who during the Sunday mass used to offer the readings in English and French. This was in Louisiana.  

Poche,

It sort of figures, you'd be the first to pick-up on any changes pertaining to the vernacular in the Holy Mass.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 04, 2019, 07:24:32 AM
And ironically, repatriating the blacks was a massive failure with Liberia (established by freed slaves) in West Africa. That's a dump if there ever was one.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: poche on July 04, 2019, 11:17:18 PM
Poche,

It sort of figures, you'd be the first to pick-up on any changes pertaining to the vernacular in the Holy Mass.
It was not the use of the vernacular in the mass. It was in the reading of the epistle and the Gospel in the vernacular after the readings in Latin. Because of the large numbers of French speaking people in the area this priest read the readings in both languages.  
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Donachie on July 12, 2019, 06:29:42 PM
Donachie, thanks for your posts!

I had a Catholic source, that witnessed Able Lincoln as a baptized Catholic, receiving the Sacraments in his home.

I believe it was a Father Cyr, a priest who covered a missionary route through Kentucky and kept a journal of his mission.

He used to go to Lincoln's father's home on his route and hear Confessions and celebrate Mass.
The story as published in the House Tops, but they now claim not to remember it?

The article said that Abe fell away from the Faith and became estranged from his family.
I believe it was Father Cyr who warned Abe to "pray his beads".
He failed to do so and even refused to visit his Father on his deathbed.

There have been accusations of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and that Abe got involved in secret societies.  
The homo connection could explain a behavior based on blackmail.

So Abe, with one year of college, went on to do exceedingly well.
In the 1830s he was on the campaign trail stumping for a Central Bank (Source: Dr. DiLorenzo, "The Real Lincoln").
(Smell any Jєωs yet?)

Lincoln went on to become president, set-up the cινιℓ ωαr and went on to prosecute it.
But he was surrounded by a more virulent ʝʊdɛօ-masonic group, known the Knights of the Golden Circle.

So when he was αssαssιnαtҽd, it was another set-up.  Here's a hint:
Have you ever wondered why John Wilkes Boothe's body was never photographed?
In those days, a trophy photo was common and Boothe was a big catch.

In any case, when the assassination news went international, two Catholic Bishops commented on it. One was in France.

Both claimed that Lincoln was Catholic and that he if had continued to practice his faith, his outcome would have been much different.

Today, Lincoln has been made into a secular saint by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonics.
They will fight viciously to cover-up or deny Lincoln was ever Catholic.

But Linclon's betrayal of his Catholic faith logically fits the ʝʊdɛօ-masonically engineered cινιℓ ωαr disaster that followed.

As we Catholics live in this world, we constantly harassed by the "children of the devil" until we die and face our eternity.
I never heard before of Father Cyr or of Abe's having been Catholic once upon a time at all. I'll have to research that some more. I understand that Lincoln was alienated from his father Thomas and refused to attend his funeral. "Southron" Secession after the election put him in a difficult position, no doubt, but I think the issues could have been resolved in a better way, however, repeating rifles among the Yankees did say a lot.
As matters may be resolved. As far as the legitimate powers and authority of the Federal government go, I still refuse to accept the concept of judicial review from the Supremo Tort. Grotesque. If a judge wants to legislate, let him run for Congress.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Struthio on July 14, 2019, 09:04:13 AM
Guess I will stick to whistlin' Dixie! :D :cowboy: and singing Alberta Bound

Quote
Alberta Bound
Gordon Lightfoot
Oh the prairie lights are burnin' bright
The Chinook wind is a-movin' in
Tomorrow night I'll be Alberta bound
Though I've done the best I could
My old luck ain't been so good and
Tomorrow night I'll be Alberta bound
No one-eyed man could e'er forget
The Rocky Mountain sunset
It's a pleasure just to be Alberta bound
I long to see my next of kin
To know what kind of shape they're in
Tomorrow night I'll be Alberta bound
Alberta bound, Alberta bound
It's good to be Alberta bound
Alberta bound, Alberta bound
It's good to be Alberta bound
Oh the skyline of Toronto
Is somethin' you'll get onto
But they say you've got to live there for a while
And if you got the money
You can get yourself a honey
A written guarantee ta make you smile
But it's snowin' in the city
And the streets and brown and gritty
And I know there's pretty girls all over town
But they never seem ta find me
And the one I left behind me
Is the reason that I'll be Alberta bound

Alberta bound, Alberta bound
It's good to be Alberta bound
Alberta bound, Alberta bound
It's good to be Alberta bound
It's good to be Alberta bound

So you are Alberta bound because you ain't got the money to get yourself a honey in Toronto and all the pretty girls don't find you. Therefore you have to go back to the one you left behind.

I hope you don't expect anyone here to pity you!
Title: Andersonville/Re: Rebel Bp. Verot/Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confed[....]
Post by: AlligatorDicax on July 15, 2019, 04:02:19 PM
And nowww, back onto this topic:

    Rebel Bishop: The life and era of Augustin Verot.
    [B]y Michael V. Gannon [....]
[....]
[Augustin Verot] was stunned to receive an official letter from Baltimore in early 1858, notifying him that the Vatican had chosen him to be the Vicar Apostolic of Florida, a new office which carried an episcopal dignity.  After his protests failed, he was consecrated titular bishop in Baltimore's cathedral on Apr. 25, 1858 [....]  On July 22, 1861, in a solemn consistory at the Vatican, Pope Pius IX assigned Bp. Verot to be ordinary of the Diocese of Savannah, whose boundaries were the same as the State of Georgia.  But he would be retained as vicar apostolic of Florida.
[....]
The promotion would equip the newly promoted ordinary with no more than a dozen priests total to administer the sacraments and preach the faith to Catholics in 2 states of the Confederacy.  So Verot would spend more of his efforts as an additional scarce priest than as an ordinary.  It would position him, in roughly 3 years (1864), to assign a few priests to minister to tens-of-thousands of gravely ill or dying Union prisoners at "Andersonville Prison", then travel there himself for the same duties [....]

Priests identified as ministering to the prisoners in "Andersonville Prison"[@] (all but the last assigned to the Diocese of Savannah, some of them having preceded their bishop in priestly visits to the "prison")[*]:

•   Fr. Peter Whelan: Then "general chaplain" to all the CSA camps in Georgia.  A native of Ireland, he was already aged over 60, but he had become well-known in Georgia, at least by its Catholics.

•   Fr. William J. Hamilton: Reässigned from the Vicariate of Fla. to Ga.  He had been pastor of the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Jacksonville, until it was pillaged & burned by Yankee troops in May 1862.  Bp. Verot initially assigned him to Columbus (Ga.), but in 1864, assigned him to the Church of the Assumption in Macon (Ga.).
 
•   Fr. Henry Peter Clavreul: Reässigned from the Vicariate of Fla. to Dioc. of Savannah. in 1862; he was a missionary recruited from France personally by Bp. Verot).

•   Fr. John F. Kirby: Asst. pastor of St. Patrick's in Augusta (Ga.), sent for "several weeks" by Bp. Verot.  A native of Ireland still in his early 40s, he was a survivor of the yellow-fever epidemic in Savannah in 1854, but he continued to suffer debilitating effects from that disease.

•   Fr. Peter Dufau: Vicar-general to Bp. Verot, reässigned from the Vicariate of Fla. to Dioc. of Savannah, accompanied his bishop on a 2-day visit.

•   Fr. Anselm Usannaz: A Jesuit from Spring Hill College in Mobile (Ala.), which would've been outside the jurisdiction of Bp. Verot's diocese and his vicariate.

Andersonville (the town) [@] was originally just a stop on the missionary circuit of the Macon parish.  Inside the "prison's" stockade, the conditions, thus prisoner health, became so wretched that the priests had time to provide the sacraments only of Penance and Extreme Unction.  The priests stayed in a small cabin 1 mi. away, but even their daily fare was "corn bread, cowpeas, and parched corn coffee",  which was arguably only slightly better than the subsistence provided to the prisoners: "a little corn bread, where the bran was mixed with the flour, and several ounces of salt pork" [×].

Numerous Protestant Yankee prisoners lamented, in letters back home, that they never saw Protestant ministers in the stockade, only Catholic priests, even tho' Protestant ministers had been requested or even invited.  And even tho' some Protestant religions were well-represented in the state before the war.  Some prisoners interpreted the difference in dedication to their flocks as indicating the better religion, decided to convert to "Romish" Catholicism, and were baptized by one of the priests before they died.

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Note @: Andersonville (Ga.) is situated in Sumter Co., quantified by Gannon as "175 miles due west of Savannah".  It might be more easily found by looking approx. 10 mi. NNE of Americus, also in Sumter Co.

Note *: Michael V. Gannon 1964: Rebel Bishop, p. 91--107.  For the full citation, see my "Reply #19" on July 01, 2019: <https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-priest(s)-in-the-confederate-states-of-america-during-civil-war/msg658096/#msg658096 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-priest(s)-in-the-confederate-states-of-america-during-civil-war/msg658096/#msg658096)>.

Note ×: "Cowpeas" are better known nowadays as black-eyed peas.  Ponder the serious shortage of vitamins & mineral in both diets.  It was not discovered until the early 20th century that corn (i.e., maize) was nutritionally poor as normally prepared in the C.S.A. and U.S.A. by the methods familiar to the countries' European colonizers and African slaves, accustomed to eating grains that were much more healthful without the need for special processing.  Alas, the widespread scurvy in the stockade should be no surprise.
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Donachie on August 13, 2019, 09:45:51 PM

Wm.Tecuмseh Sherman was a freemasonic madman, but his wife was Catholic.

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biography.com%2F.image%2Ft_share%2FMTE1ODA0OTcxNzg0NjM1OTE3%2Fwilliam-tecuмseh-sherman-9482051-1-402.jpg&f=1)

One of his son's became a Jesuit priest and later was said to have committed ѕυιcιdє.

Such was the guilt of the father's injustices carried by his family.

After the war, Sherman became a vagabond, constantly on the move, unable to get employment.

And wouldn't you know it, the North's "slash & burn" strategy of the South was devised by the Jєωs via
European (Marxist) socialists recruited by Lincoln.

As the following historical lecture proves.

cινιℓ ωαr Radicals of the North (https://youtu.be/IsqiecpP180)
For some reason I remembered this and came back to it. I found a wikipedia article about the fellow in question. Here it sounds like he died a natural death.
I still think of it as the War of Northern Aggression, but that's just how I call it. Lee surrendered but I didn't and West Virginia's an illegal entity, et cetera.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ewing_Sherman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ewing_Sherman)
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: 2Vermont on August 14, 2019, 09:38:22 PM
Definitely telling my husband about this book.  
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Kazimierz on August 15, 2019, 07:16:19 AM
So you are Alberta bound because you ain't got the money to get yourself a honey in Toronto and all the pretty girls don't find you. Therefore you have to go back to the one you left behind.

I hope you don't expect anyone here to pity you!


Tis just a song after all ;)

I guess I should sing...

Alberta bear, Alberta bear
Tis great to an Alberta bear :D :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:

So I guess I'll be on way in the early morning rain........(i aint drunk either!)

Sorry for the interruption. Let us return to the South....
Title: Re: Catholic Priest(s) in the Confederate States of America during cινιℓ ωαr
Post by: Donachie on August 18, 2019, 05:40:43 PM
God bless George Washington!

I was researching peritonitis and one thing led to another and i discovered some cινιℓ ωαr trivia. The Fishing Creek Confederacy, which i guess was unchurched and lacking any priests. maybe somebody knew a little catechism? who knows?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_Creek_Confederacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_Creek_Confederacy)


Then I found out about Ohio Governor William Allen's "slavery" sympathies and so forth, as a "Peace Democrat". As Robert Novak used to say, "somebody's got to flip them hamburgers."


https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/eight-confederate-heroes-have-places-honor-u-s-capitol-n379941 (https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/eight-confederate-heroes-have-places-honor-u-s-capitol-n379941)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Allen_(governor) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Allen_(governor))


God bless Burger King!