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Offline 2Vermont

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  • Yes, more threads in that subforum were started by globe earthers, rather than flat earthers.
    Reminds me of how most threads about sedevacantism are started by anti-sedevacantists.
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  • JayneK was often attacked for mini-modding on other forums. IIRC one forum that was started by TMW89 specifically didn't allow her to join for that reason, among others.
    Rather than rely on your memory of something that must have happened years ago, why don't you ask tmw89 to say for himself what he thinks?  He is a member here.

    But even if there were a past issue with mini-modding, why would that be relevant?  Here is a definition for those unfamiliar with the term: "Acting as if in a position of power to ban, pointing out that a member has broken a rule, requesting a Moderator action publicly or any similar practices is called Minimodding.

    This is pretty much the opposite of what I did here.  I privately wrote to Matthew, expressed my concerns and asked him to pray and think about it.  I didn't tell him what to do or even suggest any actions.  Minimodding is about publicly being bossy, not privately discussing one's concerns with a moderator.
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    Offline rum

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  • TMW89's last post was 3 years ago, though his last activity was a month ago, so I guess he still lurks here.

    Not the kind of thing I'd bother him about. I have a very good memory of you being criticized regularly for being a busybody, and some used the phrase "mini-modding." Perhaps busybody is a better general-use expression.

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  • It really is.  After less than a day, I can already see what a difference it makes.  Casual observers and newcomers to the forum no longer receive a distorted first impression that flat earth is a matter of general interest or belief.  Established members no longer have to wade through junk posts to find what they are actually interested in.  One needs to deliberately seek out flat earth posts to see them so they are easily ignored and yet the option remains for those who wish to discuss it.  

    Probably the best part is that it is a solution to a general problem, not simply flat-earthers. The forum has always been vulnerable to being dominated by a handful of posters with time and an obsession. There is now a mechanism in place that can effectively deal with this situation whenever it arises.

    I thought it was a good idea as soon as I heard about it, but seeing it in action, I am even more impressed by the elegance of this solution.
    Agreed.
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  • This is an instructive thread to read over on SuscipeDomine to see some people's general view of JayneK:

    http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1065.0

    It's because of JayneK that TMW89 proposes the anti-mini-modding rule on that thread--he was a moderator over there when the forum began. He later left that forum and started a couple different forums.

    I'm not so sure JayneK is mini-modding on this particular issue, though. More like meddling and being a busybody. This view of her was common when she posted on Fisheaters as well. It follows her around.



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  • Here are some numbers. Sorry I don't know how to make a proper table for them. The order is by number of topics started in the last hundred threads on the FE subforum.  The letters stand for flat and globe. The numbers are (from left to right) topics started in the subforum over the last hundred, number of posts to the subforum, total posts to CI.  I left out everyone who started less than 4 threads, with the exception of Meg since she is a major poster.

    Smedley Butler    (F) 13       643     778
    TruthisEternal      (F) 11       843   1713
    Neil  Obstat         (G) 11     2022   5874
    An Even Seven    (G)  8      556    2124
    WholeFoodsTrad  (F) 7       421      508
    kiwiboy                 (F) 7       348       499
    Jaynek                 (G) 5       723     2415
    cassini                 (G) 4       154     1327
    happenby             (F) 4     1491     2226
    Ladislaus              (?) 4      487    13930
    Meg                      (F) 1      640      2350

    In order of total posts to the subforum:
    Neil Obstat
    happenby
    TruthisEternal
    jaynek
    SmedleyButler
    Meg
    AnEvenSeven
    Ladislaus
    WholeFoodsTrad
    kiwiboy
    cassini

    Among these posters approximately 4100 posts were by flatearthers and 3500 by spherists and another 500 by Ladislaus who does not want to take sides.
    Wow.
    You need something else to fill your life!

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  • This is an instructive thread to read over on SuscipeDomine to see some people's general view of JayneK:

    http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1065.0

    It's because of JayneK that TMW89 proposes the anti-mini-modding rule on that thread--he was a moderator over there when the forum began. He later left that forum and started a couple different forums.

    I'm not so sure JayneK is mini-modding on this particular issue, though. More like meddling and being a busybody. This view of her was common when she posted on Fisheaters as well. It follows her around.
    No wonder why I've never looked at DR before.  Their "about page:
    This site, which has been on the internet since 1996, is often used in RCIA programs, and is linked to from the websites of various parishes and chapels, cleric-run blogs and websites, the Catholic Encyclopedia, Latin Mass Magazine, Our Sunday Visitor, The Revealer and other credible, scholarly resources. It has been cited in Catholic Digest Magazine, dioscesan and parish newsletters, offerings from Circle Media, Inc. (publishers of the National Catholic Register andFaith and Family magazine), newspapers, and other such printed materials.

    Offline Jaynek

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  • Maybe I should give a REAL example.  There was the poster who claimed that Paul VI is still alive and waiting to reclaim the Holy See and restore the Church.  Why would I spent hours and hours of my time trying to refute that?
    What if there were six posters who claimed that?  What if they posted about it so much that other members complained it was taking over the forum and so Matthew put into its own subforum to contain it?  What if they posted that there was something wrong with Catholics who did not accept this and called the people who disagreed with them heretics?  What if some of them were really nasty? What if they got together to downvote opposing views?  What if it became seen as a major issue on Cathinfo such that people on other forums mentioned it?  What if, even after being put in a dedicated subforum, it still seemed to dominate the forum by appearing so much in the Recent Topics?  Would you still consider it something to ignore?

    It is not always the credibility of positions that makes them problematic.  Even the most absurd and obviously false positions can become a problem, depending on their proponents.
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  • And a very condescending busybody, at that.

    Since Jaynek got the result she "prayed" for in having flat earth removed from the "recent posts" function,  I fully expect her to cease posting to the ghetto since the subject is such a detriment,  in her view,  to the forum.
    I expect to post there much less, but to still do so occasionally.  There may be some people curious enough about the topic to seek out the subforum.  I want to have some posts there so such people can easily see that dogmatic flat earth is opposed and that there are strong (virtually conclusive) arguments against it.   I have the background knowledge to know and be able explain just how wrong that position is.  I feel this comes with a certain responsibility to oppose this error.

    I am not one of those posters who is constantly involved in lots of forum controversies.  Most of these are beyond me.  Frankly, I am puzzled by how all these people arguing about things are so sure they are right.  But on this one issue I can tell that people are saying something very wrong and that it is harmful to the Church (not just the forum).    
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    Offline Jaynek

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  • I'm not so sure JayneK is mini-modding on this particular issue, though. More like meddling and being a busybody. This view of her was common when she posted on Fisheaters as well. It follows her around.
    Before you dug up a five year old thread, nothing had followed me around.  Most people form their opinions of me based on my current posting behaviour.
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    Offline Jaynek

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  • This is an instructive thread to read over on SuscipeDomine to see some people's general view of JayneK:

    http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1065.0
    Anyone reading this thread should note that poster "Ben" (the one posting old quotes to make a case against me on that thread) is the same person as the one currently called "rum" on this forum.  

    He is not some objective observer of "people's general view of Jaynek".  He was a key player in driving negative opinion of me in that thread.  That explains why he was able to remember a thread from so long ago.

    The poster "rum" under various names on various forums makes a practice of dredging up old posts and old threads concerning me.  He either has an amazing memory or keeps a file on me.
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  • Your reputation for being involved in controversies is real and apparently follows you for years across numerous boards.
    It may be more accurate to say that a person intent on ruining my reputation apparently follows me for years across numerous boards.
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  • All I know about the flat earth and moon landing hoax stuff is that the Jews don't fear it and often promote it.

    Well, the same thing goes for other subjects (e.g. 9/11 conspiracy talk).  They allow discussion of it to go on in various fringe regions of the internet with the express purpose of making it look crazy.  So that's neither here nor there.

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  • This is pretty much the opposite of what I did here.  I privately wrote to Matthew, expressed my concerns and asked him to pray and think about it.  I didn't tell him what to do or even suggest any actions.  Minimodding is about publicly being bossy, not privately discussing one's concerns with a moderator.

    Well, if your intent in asking Matthew to hide the Flat Earth threads was to prevent Traditional Catholics from looking bad, Matthew should likewise have banned all the threads in which you and other Trads were advocating wife-beating.  Talk about something that makes Traditional Catholics look bad!  In fact, I criticized you specifically on that count, that even if you felt in principle that some corporal punishment of wives by their husbands might be permitted, under some specific circumstances, prudence nevertheless dictates that you should keep it to yourself and stop advocating the position publicly.  Flat Earth talk PALES in comparison to how bad the advocacy of WIFE-BEATING makes Traditional Catholics look in the eyes of the world.  Many other topics make Traditional Catholics look much worse in the eyes of the world than flat earth talk ... Holocaust denial, Nazi sympathizing, advocacy of wife-beating, "racist" attitudes (all of which have been actively promoted here on CI).  Even though I have certain opinions regarding some of these subjects that would certainly make us look bad to the world, I will not be very vocal about it to prevent this from being a stumbling block to someone who might otherwise be interested in Traditional Catholicism.  Whether or not I agree with you on the wife-beating issue is secondary.  Even if I did, I would shut up about it and not go on a crusade to promote it.  Lots of people might say, who cares what the world thinks?  Well, in certain non-negotiable doctrinal/dogmatic issues, certainly we cannot compromise.  But what bearing on a person's salvation does the Holocaust question have?  Or does a husband who does not beat his wife risk his eternal salvation?  Isn't that one of the greatest criticisms that you have regarding Flat Earth, that it isn't essential to the good of souls?

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  • Well, the same thing goes for other subjects (e.g. 9/11 conspiracy talk).  They allow discussion of it to go on in various fringe regions of the internet with the express purpose of making it look crazy.  So that's neither here nor there.
    No they allow 9/11 conspiracy talk that doesn't implicate them. It's called controlled opposition. Those areas of the internet that do implicate them are hushed up as much as possible.


     

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