Author Topic: Tornado, Greensburg, KS (Read 3241 times)

Trinity · « **Reply #15 on:** May 08, 2007, 09:47:14 AM »

Yes, it's this acceptance of the way things are--might I call it fatalism?--which I'm on about. Are we really this defeated? If we fought it and tried to correct as much as we can, would God not fight with us? If we actually stood up for right behavior and right guidelines (laws) would we be disobedient? I think most of all of the young ones who have no one to protect them or point out right from wrong. Is fatalism and, what did Miss Fluffy say, passing along, all we've got to uphold us? The ultimate victory will be Christ's, I know, but in the meantime how many victims will the flood claim while we pass along or hang on? There is one word that only satan's people understand---action. Mention that word to a Christian and the conversation ends right there.

Vandaler · « **Reply #16 on:** May 08, 2007, 10:49:59 AM »

Quote from: Miss_Fluffy

In my mind the only way to prepare is to pray every day. No need to get all worked up about what might or might not be around the corner.

There is something quite impressive about tornadoes, both in their violence, and seemingly discrimate path. No wonder it's dubbed "The finger of God"

But besides that, I'm striken by the very low death toll, compared to the total damage. Furthermore, the communities reaction and pulling together is heart warming.

I leave to others their own religious interpretations, but I see much positive hidden in this tragedy.

While I feel for Trinity who seem to have a personal connection due to her proximity - and those who lost a loved one -, we must all realize this is more a close call, then an actual catastrophy, and that most of the damage was mostly material, which can and will be rebuilt, there or elsewhere.

Both the sufficiant warning and communications to avert a much bigger death toll, and the communities exceptional reaction does not spell doom to me. Au contraire, these people directly affected lead the way with their hopes of rebuilding.

Trinity · « **Reply #17 on:** May 08, 2007, 11:10:01 AM »

There are some who aren't as optimistic about the rebuilding of Greensburg, as you are. I'm inclined to think it won't be rebuilt, but that's not the point. Like you, I am surprised and glad that the death toll was so low---not that that comforts the bereaved. The fact that it is so low tends to point to God as the author---a warning and not a wipe out. At least it does in my opinion.

I am on my own oddessey here, and I seem to be alone on it. Either others aren't exhausted by the galluping evil, or they have failed to recognize it, or they are much more passive than I am. I am puzzled, though, by these lights of the world who seem to be content under the bushel basket. I think of the old priests who would not have been content to shake their heads and talk about it, but would have taken the bull by the horns. Why is this? What is this strange malaise? Did God ordain this, and am I fighting Him when I fight this? Or have we been tricked by another cunning ruse of the devil? I really don't know, and I wish I did.

Vandaler · « **Reply #18 on:** May 08, 2007, 11:17:43 AM »

Quote from: Trinity

There are some who aren't as optimistic about the rebuilding of Greensburg, as you are.

Well, I'm not personnally optimistic about the faith of the town itself. I was rather pointing out at those folks fighting and positive attitude.

Either there or elsewhere, these folks will make it work, pending they do not loose their hopeful attitude.

Trinity · « **Reply #19 on:** May 08, 2007, 12:13:28 PM »

They've kind of got to, unless they just settle on a dunghill and scrape their sores with pot shards.

Magdalene · « **Reply #20 on:** May 08, 2007, 09:01:15 PM »

Trinity · « **Reply #21 on:** May 09, 2007, 08:02:12 AM »

Two things. I cannot believe that JP II did the correct consecration in '84 (?), because there have been no fruits.

All this "do nothing" has gotten on my last nerve. That old saying that evil flourishes when good men are silent is true, and it is re inforced every day while evil takes over everything practically unopposed. I've read a lot of books on the saints and by the saints and even old sermons, and those people did not stand idly by while souls and bodies were crushed, God was mocked and "right" was run from the public square. No, they fought it with everything they had in their arsenal, even if it cost them their lives. We can only be muzzled if we want to be muzzled. So if Fr Gobbi is selling "do nothing", then I am not buying. We will answer for sins of omission, too.

The Cub · « **Reply #22 on:** May 09, 2007, 09:51:08 AM »

Magdalene · « **Reply #23 on:** May 09, 2007, 06:22:11 PM »

Well, I know for sure that Medjugorge is a false appartion because some of the messages contradict Catholic teachings.

The Cub · « **Reply #24 on:** May 09, 2007, 07:57:22 PM »

Magdalene,

That is a 'gratuitous assertion'. Please prove your point with facts.

BTW, your attention is re-directed to the points made in my last post with respect to Medjugorje. The declaration of the council of bishops is clear.....and the letter from the CDF affirm their postion.

Medjugorje remains in the NEUTRAL category.

Please advise how it is that you know that Medjugorje is false and (1) several bishops on the council, (2) the CDF, and (3) the many cardinals, archbishops, bishops, and priests that have visited there and support it do not know.

God bless,

Cub

Trinity · « **Reply #25 on:** May 09, 2007, 08:34:26 PM »

Can't speak for Magdalene, Cub, but I consider all the NO clergy and hierarchy as suspect. That makes it hard for you to validate these things, I know. Chalk another one up for satan in splitting us yet again. To find a north star we can all agree on we have to go back before John XXIII.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #26 on:** May 09, 2007, 08:56:00 PM »

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #27 on:** May 09, 2007, 08:57:01 PM »

Trinity · « **Reply #28 on:** May 09, 2007, 10:19:22 PM »

I think that satan wouldn't at all mind that many join and progess in the novus ordo church. He knows that it is as false as all the other religions.