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Offline Jaynek

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Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2018, 05:34:20 PM »
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  • Sean I strongly object to this behaviour.  There has been no indication that Matthew  wants you to become an Inquisitor or run a purge. You do not have the authority to appoint yourself.

    And I refuse to answer your question .


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #16 on: June 03, 2018, 05:39:07 PM »
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  • Sedevacantists can be their own worst enemies.  Many set themselves up as their own little "popes", so to speak, and declare something to be dogma, when they themselves believe there is no authority at the present moment to declare anything as a dogma!

    And of course, I say this as a sedeprivationist priest...

    With every position and theory on the crisis, there is a counter argument.. There is no one single theory that someone can't find an inconsistency or issue with, including my own position of sedeprivationism.

    We all need to realize that we are all Catholics, and we are in this fight together.  The divisions between us all come straight from the master deceiver, the father of lies.

    Oh that God would end this crisis, and soon.
    Hello Marcellinus-
    Welcome to this R&R forum!
    Question: Do you believe the R&R position is against the faith?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #17 on: June 03, 2018, 05:42:43 PM »
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  • Sean I strongly object to this behaviour.  There has been no indication that Matthew  wants you to become an Inquisitor or run a purge. You do not have the authority to appoint yourself.

    And I refuse to answer your question .
    Hi Jayne-
    Thank you for your comment!
    Do you consider the R&R position against the faith?
    Looks like Mathews’s latest declaration really has the sede-whatever’s shaken up, so much so that their priests are intervening with tradcuмenical (and yourself with emotional) arguments in the hope of retaining CI as a sede-everything sounding board.
    But an answer from you would be appreciated.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #18 on: June 03, 2018, 05:44:25 PM »
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  • Hi Jayne-
    Thank you for your comment!
    Do you consider the R&R position against the faith?
    Looks like Mathews’s latest declaration really has the sede-whatever’s shaken up, so much so that their priests are intervening with tradcuмenical (and yourself with emotional) arguments in the hope of retaining CI as a sede-everything sounding board.
    But an answer would from you would be appreciated.
    Well you aren't getting an answer because you have no right to ask the question. 

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #19 on: June 03, 2018, 05:48:28 PM »
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  • Nobody is under any obligation to answer Sean and I recommend that nobody do so .


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #20 on: June 03, 2018, 05:49:15 PM »
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  • Thank you.

    Next!
    I go by fruits and other things like, "Does this group exhibit a better ability than other traditional groups to not tolerate Judaizers?"

    It's hard for me to believe that God would organize things in such a fashion that to be able to understand the crisis one would need a degree in theology. None of the traditional groups I've seen have produced fruit of such ripeness that I'm able to say, "Wow this group is heads and tails above these other groups." If there is one group that's the best, then I think it would be by a small, and not a large, margin.

    I keep an open mind, out of necessity. However, I've never been too keen on the SSPX. Traditio.com influenced me in this respect.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #21 on: June 03, 2018, 05:58:33 PM »
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  • Nobody is under any obligation to answer Sean and I recommend that nobody do so .
    Of course you do; in light of Mathews’s declaration reclaiming the identity of this forum as R&R, it is the only survival tactic at your disposal:
    A universal call to deception, hiding your true positions.
    But that works just as well as a de facto banishment.
    Hmmm, should my next topic be on papal infallibility?
    The sede ban casualties will be reminiscent of Marathon!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #22 on: June 03, 2018, 06:00:38 PM »
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  • I go by fruits and other things like, "Does this group exhibit a better ability than other traditional groups to not tolerate Judaizers?"

    It's hard for me to believe that God would organize things in such a fashion that to be able to understand the crisis one would need a degree in theology. None of the traditional groups I've seen have produced fruit of such ripeness that I'm able to say, "Wow this group is heads and tails above these other groups." If there is one group that's the best, then I think it would be by a small, and not a large, margin.

    I keep an open mind, out of necessity. However, I've never been too keen on the SSPX. Traditio.com influenced me in this respect.
    In other words, Lefebvre did not impress you as being correct, or any better than any other contender?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #23 on: June 03, 2018, 06:08:28 PM »
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  • Of course you do; in light of Mathews’s declaration reclaiming the identity of this forum as R&R, it is the only survival tactic at your disposal:
    A universal call to deception, hiding your true positions.
    But that works just as well as a de facto banishment.
    Hmmm, should my next topic be on papal infallibility?
    The sede ban casualties will be reminiscent of Marathon!
    What you are doing is wrong, regardless of one's position on the Crisis. 

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #24 on: June 03, 2018, 06:11:29 PM »
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  • What you are doing is wrong, regardless of one's position on the Crisis.
    How will sedes gain martyrs with that kind of cowardice and lack of principle?
    If I go to a sede website, I declare myself R&R and let the chips fall where they may.
    It’s called simple honesty.
    That the sedes won’t do that says more about them and their position than had they answered the question!

    Matthew was right: Where are the loud and proud sedes??
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #25 on: June 03, 2018, 06:13:14 PM »
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  • Hello Marcellinus-
    Welcome to this R&R forum!
    Question: Do you believe the R&R position is against the faith?
    Uh..  Do I think the R&R position is heresy?  Is that what you are asking me?  No, I do not think it is heresy. 
    St. Catherine of Siena and St. Vincent Ferrer followed two different men they both personally believed to be popes, and they most certainly were not heretics.


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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #26 on: June 03, 2018, 06:15:20 PM »
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  • Uh..  Do I think the R&R position is heresy?  Is that what you are asking me?  No, I do not think it is heresy.  
    St. Catherine of Siena and St. Vincent Ferrer followed two different men they both personally believed to be popes, and they most certainly were not heretics.
    Poor argument Fr:
    There was no universal peaceful acceptance (as there is today), and consequently the identity of the “pope” was not a dogmatic fact then, as it is today.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #27 on: June 03, 2018, 06:16:03 PM »
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  • Hey Sean, do you believe the Novus Ordo mass to be bad, not a proper mass, or in any way impious or a call to impiety?

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #28 on: June 03, 2018, 06:17:49 PM »
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  • How will sedes gain martyrs with that kind of cowardice and lack of principle?
    If I go to a sede website, I declare myself R&R and let the chips fall where they may.
    It’s called simple honesty.
    That the sedes won’t do that says more about them and their position than had they answered the question!

    Matthew was right: Where are the loud and proud sedes??
    There is no reason for anyone to cooperate with a self-appointed Inquisitor who is trying to bait them. They are not being cowards, just smart.

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    Re: CathInfo forbids calling R&R a heresy
    « Reply #29 on: June 03, 2018, 06:19:39 PM »
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  • Poor argument Fr:
    There was no universal peaceful acceptance (as there is today), and consequently the identity of the “pope” was not a dogmatic fact then, as it is today.
    Dogma is always... something isn't a dogma today that wasn't a dogma yesterday. 
    Truth is eternal. 
    With that, I respectfully bow out of this discussion.