Author Topic: CathInfo declaration (Read 24018 times)

Classiccom · « **Reply #5 on:** May 09, 2010, 09:35:00 PM »

I think my position is more logical. Ditch the infallible man theory and you may regain your sanity. Each pope gets judged by tradition , scripture and the ruling Church members. You don't need concepts like sedevacantism , or bizarre ways of thinking - was the pope in "infallible mode" when he makes a statement.?

Having continuity with the first 18 centuries of Catholicism is a good thing also. But no, lets make it really easy for the Devil to discredit and and destroy the Catholic Faith with an out of control "infallible" agent of the antichrist. I can't wait to see what Pope Benedict does on his visit to Fatima. I don't expect the Church to have a logical response to such a problem, therefore the need for the two witnesses from heaven.

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2010, 09:49:43 PM »

As a Sirite I do not agree that the only way out of the heresies of Benedict XVI(16) is something called sedevacantism.

Classicom still does not get that the Infallible Decree was forced upon the Pope by the Revolution. :smoke-pot:

Raoul76 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2010, 10:05:15 PM »

Matthew D. Hardin said:

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I'm going to pull a Raoul on this one.

I am going to pull a you then and be more moderate, just to keep the site on its toes.

I have no problem agreeing with this declaration. I believe the sedevacantist thesis will prove correct, but do not think it is necessary for salvation for everyone. Not until the Pope of the restored Church makes it formal who was or wasn't a Pope.

I may explain why later, giving my new picture of the current crisis, but I must eat, I am starving.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 09, 2010, 10:11:32 PM »

I don't see the two parts you are seeing in this declaration, Matthew ( D. Hardin ).

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I hold that sedevacantism is not necessary for salvation.
Catholics who attend Mass at non-Sedevacantist chapels are also eligible for salvation.

You have said that those who attend Mass at non-sede chapels can be saved, and that is the same as saying that sedevacantism is not necessary for salvation.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** May 09, 2010, 10:24:19 PM »

Quote from: Matthew D. Hardin

Quote from: Matthew
Every CathInfo member must agree to this declaration:

I hold that sedevacantism is not necessary for salvation.
Catholics who attend Mass at non-Sedevacantist chapels are also eligible for salvation.

Matthew

I'm going to pull a Raoul on this one.

I'll agree with the second statement: Catholics who attend Mass at non-Sedevacantist chapels are eligible for salvation. So are all God's children, actually. All are eligible; not all are saved.

The first part is nebulous, but I'm not at all sure I agree. Sedevacantism during normal interregnums is a doctrine of the Church. Sedevacantism during these times is the only way to avoid the heresies of B16. Do I think one who accepts B16 and the Una cuм is on the right path? No. Are they a heretic? In most cases, yes. If they manage not to be a heretic, it is through their own ignorance of either the Catholic Faith or B16's errors. It is not because B16 is in any way legitimate or Catholic.

Ban me if thou wilt. I'm not a Cafeteria Catholic. I don't think every Latin Mass is an option for the faithful. I don't think the SSPX is anything other than an institution of deceit and sin. I do not believe the SSPX is the Catholic Church, nor do I think the Catholic Church subsists in it, or that it has any true affiliation of any type with the Catholic Church. I am not silent and I do not consent.

Ok, gone.

You're banned.

And, as an aside, you seem to be confused about the definition of the term "Cafeteria Catholic".