Author Topic: Cardinal Rampolla (Read 6128 times)

roscoe · « **on:** January 28, 2008, 02:44:56 PM »

I posted this previously on catholic.com and fisheaters before I was banned so some of you may be familiar with the topic.

A nasty rumor that Cardinal Mariano Rampolla was somehow a 'secret occult mason and in the OTO' has somehow been circulating for about 100 years. It started when writer Msg Jouin was fed a forged, phoney docuмent cooked up by a cabal trying to discredit the great Cardinal. This is not an attack on Jouin--I am only saying that no one gets everything right.

Cardinal Rampolla was Sec of State under Pope Leo XIII and arch-priest of Vatican Cathedral under St. Pius X.

So far as I know, the persons spreading this story(sincere or otherwise) include Piers Compton(The Broken Cross), Yves Chiron(bio of Pius X), Craig Hiembichner(Blood On Alter and other works), John Vennari of Catholic Family News, Lady Queenborough( I think she is mistaken-not malicious), and the Dimond Bros Most Holy Family Monastery.

This story is very dangerous as if true(which it certainly is not) it completly discredits the character of Leo XIII, Cardinal Raphael Merry Del Valle, St Pius X and Francis MacNutt(Papal Chamberlain).

The Cardinal was a great man and it is my view that he is being attacked, among other reasons because he and Leo XIII were of the anti-Dreyfus party. The ʝʊdɛօ-masonic clique around Franz-Joseph pressured him to 'veto' the Cardinals election as Pope in 1903.

Fortunatly no harm was done to Holy Church as the administration of affairs was carried on by St. Pius no differently than they would have been in a Rampolla papacy.

I hope no-one has fallen for this smear on a great man.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2008, 12:54:34 PM »

That's interesting. God had it that St. Pius X be Pope though it seems still. The Lord, of course, works in mysterious ways above our understanding. Also, notice that the Blessed Mother appeared at Fatima after St. Pius X died. St. Pius X, I bet you would have been one to have the bravery to do what Our Lady asked to bring peace to the world, but alas, we have had popes not as strong as St. Pius X since his pontificate. Pope Benedict XV sadly lowered the defenses somewhat. Supposedly, the Church got too strong, according to some, but look at what has happened today as the result of the easygoing weakness of Catholics, recalling something St. Pius X said about the weakness of easygoing Catholics.

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2008, 05:44:32 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

So far as I know, the persons spreading this story(sincere or otherwise) include Piers Compton(The Broken Cross), Yves Chiron(bio of Pius X), Craig Hiembichner(Blood On Alter and other works), John Vennari of Catholic Family News, Lady Queenborough( I think she is mistaken-not malicious), and the Dimond Bros Most Holy Family Monastery.

What? Does John Vennari believes he's a mason?

I don't know Cardinal Rampolla but I wonder if he's really a mason. Got to search more about him.

roscoe · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:03:44 PM »

I am quite famialiar with Mr. Hiembichners bogus work. He and Mr Vennari are phoney 'trad' Catholics spreading a bogus story. And FM gives me a hard time for putting the truth of Boniface right in front of his eyes.

roscoe · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2008, 06:08:34 PM »

The 'OTO manifesto' is a fraudulent docuмent. St Pius X appointed Card Rampolla Arch-Priest of Vatican Cathedral. The idea that St Pius would have been a big enough of an idiot to appoint a satanist personal custodian of the relics of St. Peter is so absurd---and at the same time the Hexagram is right in front of everyones face on the throne of Boniface.

This is not an attack on Msg Jouin----no one gets everything right===he was fed a bogus docuмent that was cooked up to Keep Card Rampolla(a member of the anti-Dreyfus faction w Leo/XIII) from the papacy. Card Raphael is also a Rampollite.

Mr Hiembichners attempt to show that Pius X suspected something wrong with Card Rampolla is juvenile at best--he misquotes his own sources: Chiron's book doesn't even say what he claims it says when Mr Hiembichner tries to show that Pius suspected something wrong with the Cardinal.

And the Dimaond Bros are one of the factions pushing this rumor---are you a 'Feeneytite' FM?

roscoe · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2008, 06:19:23 PM »

In one of the above sources used by Mr Hiembichner(Popes Against the Judaics) it says that Franz-Joseph was 'surrounded by Judaics". It is Franz-Joseph who was the Freemason. Pius IX considered Franz-Joseph very dangerous.

Mr Kertzers three works are very valuable--but not the way mr. Hiembichner interprets them.

Kertzer
1) Popes Against the Judaics
2) Prisoner Of The Vatican
3) The Kidnapping Of Edgardo Mortara.

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2008, 06:22:20 PM »

Quote from: Sinner Chrono

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And the Dimaond Bros are one of the factions pushing this rumor---are you a 'Feeneytite' FM?

What does your accusation of FM being a Feeneyite have to do with Cardinal Rampolla not being a Freemason roscoe?

I am trying to give FM a little taste of his own medicine as he is in the habit of throwing around spectacular accusations.

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:20:41 PM »

Quoting Poncins--Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ And The Vatican pg 19 to show how Jouin was duped into believing this Big Lie against The virtuous Card Rampolla

"The only accusation that can be brought against Jouin was that he was a man of great kindness; sometimes he was a little to kind in welcoming collaborators who were below the standards required for his magazine. "

It is Mr Kertzers words that say Franz-Joseph was 'surrounded by Judaics'. Notice he doesn't say a couple or a few, but specifically uses the word SURROUNDED. And as Mr. Kertzer is a Judaic, the old tired canard of αnтι-ѕємιтє cannot be smeared into this discussion.

And in addition, according to Count Sforza(Makers Of Modern Europe) Franz-Ferdinand(the great Catholic martyr who along with his wife was brutally murdered by the Judaic Princep and his gang) couldn't stand the worthless Franz-Ferdinand.

See also Spiradovich--Secret World Govt for more info on the corrupt(and Pius IX agreed with that characterisation) Franz-Joseph.

And I find it most amusing that the Hexagram symbol is widely used in the Hiembichner article to associate one with the occult. IT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE'S FACE ON THE THRONE OF BONIFACE and he is(according to those on this Forum who have bothered to say something) being acquitted of any nefarious activity. Can someone comment on that which is right in front of your eyes.

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Kephapaulos · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:33:14 PM »

It doesn't matter now, roscoe. St. Giuseppe Melchiore Sarto was elected Supreme Pontiff in the conclave of 1903, and we can't do anything about it now. It was great blessing from God that we have St. Pius X. Why, if it weren't for him would you have the SSPX today? :smile:

roscoe · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:54:30 PM »

Foolish Topic???????????????. I realise that the Papacy was left in the good hands of Pius X. The problem is that the accusation discredits the papacies of Leo XIII and St Pius and even Pius IX. A Protestant who believes this story is going to use it as ammunition for attacks on the Catholic Church. Not only was Card Rampolla not a traitor, he was a great man of the Church.

And Keph==your last sentence is quite unclear

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:58:10 PM »

It matters little what the Protestants would think or do. There are bad apples among Catholics and Protestants. The difference though is that Catholics hold the truth, while Protestants do not. For all I care, the Protestants may criticize this and that about the Catholic Church, but it is worse to not believe the truth as well as spreading mayhem.

EDIT: Another difference between Catholics and Protestants would also be that the Catholic Church has genuine saints, whereas individuals in Protestants can only advance so far (if at all) in the cases of those Protestants who are invincibly ignorant.

roscoe · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2008, 11:58:04 PM »

OK---if that is true, there has to be some bad fruit that this betrayal of Holy Chuch has brought forth. The burden of proof is on the cardinals accusors; let them provide at least an accusation or two as to what action can be attributed to Rampolla in whatever way that constitutes a betrayal of Catholic Church---in other words -===what did he actually DO . He was Sec of State for 16 yrs and Arch- Priest of Vatican Cathedral fo 10. That's alot of time to screw up------is this thing on?

I'll go out on a limb and say---- there is not going to be 1 action of this sort that will be found.

roscoe · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2008, 12:04:35 AM »

To my way of thinking, you wait until someone actually does something before suspecting them of something----unless I am mistaken, that has something to do with the concept behind the Fourth Amendment of Bill of Rights.

roscoe · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2008, 12:45:39 PM »

So as I suspected, there is not one tangile accusation against the Cardinal to make manifest his alleged OTO membership except that he 'joined the OTO'.

What I am asking is this ===Was this man a pedophile?, An embezler?, a homo? did he blaspheme the Host in some way?? Did he eat beef enchiladas on Fri???? Deny the Real Presence??

And I would like to remind this Forum that FM has as of this moment failed to take a position on whether the Templars were guilty or no.

One has to be a complete fool to think that St Pius would be dumb enough to appoint Card Rampolla Arch-Priest of Vatican Cathedral if he had the slightest suspicions about the man.

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2008, 12:53:20 PM »

And the statement that his status as a freemason might not have been known until after the fact is bogus because what allegedly started all of this was Msg Jouin going to Franz-Joseph with the info before Pius X was even elected. After all, the election of Pius didn't occur until after the 'veto' was placed. So obviously it was 'suspected' before 'the fact'.