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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2013, 12:43:09 PM »
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  • Let's not even mention the fact that these men over there are guinea pigs. How, you might ask? Well, vaccines, for instance. You can't refuse vaccines, and who knows what kind of crap they put in them?

    "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." --Henry Kissinger

    Is this the way you want to be treated? You are no longer your own in the military. You belong to them, and totally to them.


    Don't believe me on the vaccines? Watch this.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/Q7M_TZpQiIY?feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

    I'm sure many have heard about "Gulf War Syndrome." It's real. I know people that have it. Their lives are riddled with problems that range from very heavy drinking to kill pain, disabling mental health issues, to cancer in their children.

    Please take some time to watch this. I know it's an hour and a half, but if you really value your life...

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/gZVOOmi9gDE?feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #31 on: September 14, 2013, 12:58:31 PM »
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  • Go read some of these stories about the vaccines from actual veterans, and please tell me that they're just delusional or something, because this looks like a deliberate campaign to kill the "good 'ol boys" joining the military.

    PLEASE do NOT ruin your life and join the military!

    http://thinktwice.com/military.htm
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #32 on: September 14, 2013, 03:36:52 PM »
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  • Excellent points raised, PFT.

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    « Reply #33 on: September 14, 2013, 03:45:38 PM »
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  • I served in the Air Force; however, I witnessed and experienced the conditions of servicemen, and the lack of respect for their dignity, as asserted by Zionist Jew Henry Kissenger, "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy."
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    « Reply #34 on: September 15, 2013, 05:38:43 PM »
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  • My husband and I both served in the United States Army.  I can attest to a few things.  Firstly, there is a definite class system.  Officers are the educated elite and have their own code of ethics.  Since most of these men and women are from an educated family background with intact families and/or moderate financial status, they often have better insight, discipline, and moral values.  Most of the enlisted personnel are from broken homes, poverty, limited access to education, and have questionable values to begin with.  Living with a few hundred 20 somethings in a barracks can be a cesspool of moral degradation.  It would make you sick to know some of the things these people do.  The NCO's are often the worst because they come from the same questionable background but now have certain amounts of power and prestige.

    Also, certain people are drawn to certain branches.  The Army, for example, is about 20% black.  Most of these are enlisted.  This brings a certain attitude and atmosphere to the ranks.  About 15% of the entire military is also now female.  And many of those are black.  It's a good place for a black woman of limited means to get ahead, have a steady income and housing.  

    Also, at a certain point, Officers really can't get promoted without meeting certain criteria.  Almost 75% of officers are married as opposed to the enlisted which sits about 40 or 50%.  They are expected to get married and their wives are expected to participate in some organization or activity on post.  It's a political thing, so to speak, where at a certain point, officers must campaign for promotion.  They have parties and hob-nob.  Perhaps this is why many men in politics got their start in the military.  

    Yes, the military uses it's enlisted personnel as guinea pigs.  I honestly believe that if they drop biological weapons my husband and I will survive because we have probably been vaccinated against just about everything.  The only thing you can refuse is a flu vaccine, if and only if you have had a past documented reaction to it.

    Why do people even consider joining?  It's obvious.  Life in the military is often a better choice than scraping and scrapping for survival.  It's sometimes a way out of a terrible life.  There is discipline there of some sorts and if you play your cards right a certain level of security and protection.  You have a steady paycheck, always have housing, have free medical care, and rarely lack for anything.  Some people think in this economy the pay off is worth it.

    For those considering becoming an officer, the choice is often to pay back student loans, get some training in specialized fields like pilots or intelligence, and for political aspirations.  

    Truth is in this economy, even having a skill such as carpentry or electrical wiring does not always put food on the table.  

    Our son, who graduates college in December, is trying to get accepted to OCS in the Navy.  He's spoken to us at great length about it.  We've prayed about it.  And while we are aware of the many dangers and problems with the military, we are okay with his decision.  He doesn't plan on making it a career, but hopes to serve about 8 years.  

    Probably unlike most here, I don't take either position that "yes, it's a great idea" or "no, stay away from the military at all costs."  I think all factors must be considered.  Perhaps it's a better living environment for some.  I don't think for most, though, a "career" is what one should consider.  It ages you before your time.  It changes you.  You have to be very strong to withstand the emotional and spiritual attacks you will face.

    Also, I was in quite some time ago.  Now homosexuals are freely admitted, and certain things that were not permitted those years ago are permitted now.

    Generally speaking, I would say that unless you have a good plan and that you understand the bottom line, one should not join the military in any capacity.

    What is the bottom line?  You are expendable.  You belong to the government.  You will be placed in situations that will cause you direct harm, even death, for your government.  Anyone who is opposed to this or who can't accept this, should not enlist nor take a commission.

    FWIW, very few jobs today are conducive for traditional Catholics.  If one is using this lone criteria for seeking employment, then one will either be greatly disappointed or unemployed.  We no longer live in a society where moral values are respected or valued.  Some careers, obviously, have more issues than others.  But we do have to feed our families.  

    Young men are facing some hard times.  I believe it's best to discuss these matters with both parents and priests.  We must also be honest with ourselves about the world in which we live and our expectations.  

    Just my two cents....


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    « Reply #35 on: September 16, 2013, 02:19:51 PM »
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  •  I agree with the moral/ethical issues of joining the military. But I have looked into stuff a little more and I came up with three possible ways I could do service to my country.

     1. I could try out for one of these 'elite' units( i.e. SEALs, Pararescue, Special Forces.) because they seem more focused and more competent than regular "grunts." For most of these their recruitment websites on the requirement list they  want people with no criminal record and moral standards (for instance, they aren't going to give some slum-dawg gang-banger a navy SEAL contract, or any special operator contract for that matter). Now the down side of this is that I might be used for 'peacetime' direct action missions that help further the agenda of O' and his ilk.

    2.I could join the national guard. That way I wont be around the homo/drugs/anything-else crap 24/7, only 2 days a month and 2 weeks a year and plus I would get skills, experience, ect., and still have time for family and I dont have to move around so getting to Mass wont be so hard. The downside of this is that There is a great chance that I will be activated and sent to Afganistan ( 55% of troops there are National Guard). Also the NG are the true cannon-fodder, they train 2 days a month,get the picture? There is a Special Forces NG unit in Florida but you have to be at least 21 ( their website claims that they are up-to-snuff with active duty SF units). NG people go to regular army (or Air Force) training and boot camp :drillsergeant: (obviously).

    3. I could just become a Firefighter. They get okay pay and as they go up in the ranks they make more. I would help my local community, I wouldn't have to move around, and it Isn't morally questionable, in fact it is morally good.


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    « Reply #36 on: September 16, 2013, 02:40:02 PM »
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    I agree with the moral/ethical issues of joining the military. But I have looked into stuff a little more and I came up with three possible ways I could do service to my country.

     1. I could try out for one of these 'elite' units( i.e. SEALs, Pararescue, Special Forces.) because they seem more focused and more competent than regular "grunts." For most of these their recruitment websites on the requirement list they  want people with no criminal record and moral standards (for instance, they aren't going to give some slum-dawg gang-banger a navy SEAL contract, or any special operator contract for that matter). Now the down side of this is that I might be used for 'peacetime' direct action missions that help further the agenda of O' and his ilk.

    2.I could join the national guard. That way I wont be around the homo/drugs/anything-else crap 24/7, only 2 days a month and 2 weeks a year and plus I would get skills, experience, ect., and still have time for family and I dont have to move around so getting to Mass wont be so hard. The downside of this is that There is a great chance that I will be activated and sent to Afganistan ( 55% of troops there are National Guard). Also the NG are the true cannon-fodder, they train 2 days a month,get the picture? There is a Special Forces NG unit in Florida but you have to be at least 21 ( their website claims that they are up-to-snuff with active duty SF units). NG people go to regular army (or Air Force) training and boot camp :drillsergeant: (obviously).

    3. I could just become a Firefighter. They get okay pay and as they go up in the ranks they make more. I would help my local community, I wouldn't have to move around, and it Isn't morally questionable, in fact it is morally good.



    I forgot to mention that Pararescue only does Search-and-Rescue and they only shoot people/kill in defense of themselves and/or their patients.

    What say you!

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    « Reply #37 on: September 16, 2013, 09:11:08 PM »
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    What say you!


    I say you haven't listened to a single bloody word spoken to you. You want to be a US-government-certified killer-for-cash, even if only for a few days a month, and you want other people who frequent this site to tell you to go for it.

    Not me. Never. Do me and everyone else a favor and take your vanity-driven search for applause elsewhere.

    Shame on you.


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    « Reply #38 on: September 16, 2013, 09:58:55 PM »
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       Hi, as you can see I'm new. I have been looking for advice everywhere on what to do with my life as I am graduating next year. I have always planned on joining the Air Force but because of recent events(i.e. Syria, gay marriage, ect.) I am thinking that the military is not what it once was and if I were to go to war would I be justified? I have been considering something like firefighter or EMT or even the coast guard instead of the Air Force. I want a job that is not the 'corporate slave' type but that is also morally good. My father and I talk about it and we both agreed that a combat job in the military would be wrong, but would a combat medic job be bad or some other support type job?

      Since I am new I will give you a bit of backround. I am homeschooled, I live on a farm with goats and chickens, I serve Mass, I am the oldest of 10, I used to play Lacrosse as a Goalie, and thats about it.


    "Is the military a good career choice?"

    No it is not.

    A firefighter, EMT or the coast guard would be a much better choice.  The coast guard would be interesting.  Service to my country domestically.  Two of my cousins worked with the Canadian Coast Guard based in Tobermory on Lake Huron.  Two weeks on the ship and two weeks off.  If they wanted to they could have applied for a transfer to the east or west coast or to work on ice breakers in the Canadian arctic.

    All the best in your decision.

     

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    « Reply #39 on: September 16, 2013, 10:31:56 PM »
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  • http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/09/06/christian-airman-punished-by-lesbian-commander-now-being-investigated-for-talking-to-media/

    The armed forces is not my Father's (a career Army Officer) military. That includes the US Coast Guard.

    I spent 18 years in law enforcement ending in the mid 1980s and wouldn't even recommend that any more. It has been transformed by Federal money and influence from a Peace Officer's role into a domestic military operation that views the citizens it is supposed to protect as "the enemy" with far too many coworkers that you cannot trust to help you keep your body and soul safe.

    I have been an EMT and a Respiratory Therapist and think that a career as a Paramedic would be something you could do and hold your head high.

    Career choices for good Catholic men are rapidly disappearing.


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    « Reply #40 on: September 17, 2013, 10:41:26 AM »
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  • Okay, I can see how serious you are. It is kind of frustrating because only about a month ago did someone tell me "You will waste your life in the military, it is not good, it is bad." So I got on this forum to see what other people who believe the same things I do thought about it. I thank the people who have responded. I can say you have convinced me.


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    « Reply #41 on: October 02, 2013, 02:31:05 PM »
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    My husband and I both served in the United States Army.  I can attest to a few things.  Firstly, there is a definite class system.  Officers are the educated elite and have their own code of ethics.  Since most of these men and women are from an educated family background with intact families and/or moderate financial status, they often have better insight, discipline, and moral values.  Most of the enlisted personnel are from broken homes, poverty, limited access to education, and have questionable values to begin with.  Living with a few hundred 20 somethings in a barracks can be a cesspool of moral degradation.  It would make you sick to know some of the things these people do.  The NCO's are often the worst because they come from the same questionable background but now have certain amounts of power and prestige.

    Also, certain people are drawn to certain branches.  The Army, for example, is about 20% black.  Most of these are enlisted.  This brings a certain attitude and atmosphere to the ranks.  About 15% of the entire military is also now female.  And many of those are black.  It's a good place for a black woman of limited means to get ahead, have a steady income and housing.  

    Also, at a certain point, Officers really can't get promoted without meeting certain criteria.  Almost 75% of officers are married as opposed to the enlisted which sits about 40 or 50%.  They are expected to get married and their wives are expected to participate in some organization or activity on post.  It's a political thing, so to speak, where at a certain point, officers must campaign for promotion.  They have parties and hob-nob.  Perhaps this is why many men in politics got their start in the military.  

    Yes, the military uses it's enlisted personnel as guinea pigs.  I honestly believe that if they drop biological weapons my husband and I will survive because we have probably been vaccinated against just about everything.  The only thing you can refuse is a flu vaccine, if and only if you have had a past documented reaction to it.

    Why do people even consider joining?  It's obvious.  Life in the military is often a better choice than scraping and scrapping for survival.  It's sometimes a way out of a terrible life.  There is discipline there of some sorts and if you play your cards right a certain level of security and protection.  You have a steady paycheck, always have housing, have free medical care, and rarely lack for anything.  Some people think in this economy the pay off is worth it.

    For those considering becoming an officer, the choice is often to pay back student loans, get some training in specialized fields like pilots or intelligence, and for political aspirations.  

    Truth is in this economy, even having a skill such as carpentry or electrical wiring does not always put food on the table.  

    Our son, who graduates college in December, is trying to get accepted to OCS in the Navy.  He's spoken to us at great length about it.  We've prayed about it.  And while we are aware of the many dangers and problems with the military, we are okay with his decision.  He doesn't plan on making it a career, but hopes to serve about 8 years.  

    Probably unlike most here, I don't take either position that "yes, it's a great idea" or "no, stay away from the military at all costs."  I think all factors must be considered.  Perhaps it's a better living environment for some.  I don't think for most, though, a "career" is what one should consider.  It ages you before your time.  It changes you.  You have to be very strong to withstand the emotional and spiritual attacks you will face.

    Also, I was in quite some time ago.  Now homosexuals are freely admitted, and certain things that were not permitted those years ago are permitted now.

    Generally speaking, I would say that unless you have a good plan and that you understand the bottom line, one should not join the military in any capacity.

    What is the bottom line?  You are expendable.  You belong to the government.  You will be placed in situations that will cause you direct harm, even death, for your government.  Anyone who is opposed to this or who can't accept this, should not enlist nor take a commission.

    FWIW, very few jobs today are conducive for traditional Catholics.  If one is using this lone criteria for seeking employment, then one will either be greatly disappointed or unemployed.  We no longer live in a society where moral values are respected or valued.  Some careers, obviously, have more issues than others.  But we do have to feed our families.  

    Young men are facing some hard times.  I believe it's best to discuss these matters with both parents and priests.  We must also be honest with ourselves about the world in which we live and our expectations.  

    Just my two cents....



    I largely agree with this synopsis above ^, except for the very last part of this statement,
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    Since most of these men and women [officers] are from an educated family background with intact families and/or moderate financial status, they often have better insight, discipline, and moral values.


    Generally, this is not true, rather, these people from more affluent, educated, disciplined and intact families are just as deviant and morally devoid as the enlisted personnel. The only difference is the officers are just better at concealing it while still appearing to have "values" and "character", since they are more disciplined in their approach to life. Also, they are more efficacious at damage control and deflection of their misdeeds, or having other officers excuse them, since they are the ones in power. It's like a "good ole boys (and girls) club". The enlisted ranks get busted more because they, as you said, are on the low end of the caste system, therefore, they are much more expendable and easy targets to be lambasted as an example of how not to behave.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

     

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