Maybe some would like to believe it is not an infallible act because a shady character or two have been canonized in the past thirty years.   :cool:

I forgot all about that Myrna, but you're right.  "They" said that the reason that Sts. Christopher, Philomena  et als. were demoted was because there wasn't enough evidence to prove they actually existed.

Undoubtedly, if we are wrong, we'll find out, and they will gleefully correct us.

This is a big, big point against VII.  I have been trotting it out more often, because I enjoy imagining the gobsmacked look of the SSPX-er on the other side of the computer screen, heh heh.  No AngelQueen type can give an answer to this question, about how someone like Mother Theresa can be "canonized."

It is not exactly a dogma that the canonization of saints is infallible, but let's put it this way -- it is as close as you can possibly get to a dogma without being a dogma, to the point where it would be worse than rash to deny it.  

I used to joke about how Vatican II will one day be convicted on a technicality, like Al Capone, who was widely believed to be gettting away with murder but was finally only convicted for tax evasion... So what?  It still put him in jail.  Even if it turns out that the teaching of religious liberty in Dignitatis Humanae ( the main point against VII that SSPX and sedes agree on ) is really only a change of discipline and not doctrine, which would be near-impossible to prove, you still can't get around this gallery of false saints they have set up.  It's a perfect technicality to take down VII.  

There are others too, like the encyclical from JPII's papacy about the "anaphora of Mari and Addai."  I know -- makes your eyes glaze over, right?  But it's important, because Rome claimed that this rite which has no formula for the consecration of the Host is valid!  No form!  As we all know, there must be matter and form present for a sacrament to be valid.  This is another technicality that will be useful in taking down the anti-Popes, proving they aren't protected by the Holy Ghost.  Of course I know that the followers of Abp. Lefebvre will say that papal encyclicals aren't infallible on matters of faith and morals, but this is to deny yet another dogmatic fact.  

Do you see how, in order to have their precious unity, they are gradually whittling away the immaculate bride of Christ to nothing?  At this point the "Church" triumphantly claimed by SSPX to still reside in Rome, the one they trumpet their unity with, basically rests on two ex cathedra statements in two hundred years, and everything else can go to pot... Yet the sedes are considered the ones who are extremists?  What kind of "Church" is this, SSPX?  

Mother Theresa was never canonized a saint!

The Baltimore catechism is not, of course, infallible itself and could be wrong on that point.  I think it is certainly wrong on including religious orders under infallibility (though perhaps I misunderstand the sense in which it is meant) - but let us not forget the Jesuits who have had an enormous hand in destroying the Church and the more recent order approved by Pope John Paul II (I forget its name but it is the one with the sɛҳuąƖ abusing leader who nearly got started on the road to canonization by JPII and his saint machine).

I also wanted to point out that while it is absolutely certain that both Saints Philomena and Christopher were real, you can't use the argument of infallability against the novus ordo members because neither of those two saints were declared saints - it happened through universal acclamation of the faithful.  

Sadly she is not in the 62 missal either -they culled her in '61.

I think it is certainly wrong on including religious orders under infallibility (though perhaps I misunderstand the sense in which it is meant) - but let us not forget the Jesuits who have had an enormous hand in destroying the Church and the more recent order approved by Pope John Paul II (I forget its name but it is the one with the sɛҳuąƖ abusing leader who nearly got started on the road to canonization by JPII and his saint machine).

The infalibility rests upon the fact that religious order cannot contain anything against faith and moral in their constitutions and that if their members follow the rule perfectly they´d be saints. It doesn´t mean the founders must be saints or something like that.

I also wanted to point out that while it is absolutely certain that both Saints Philomena and Christopher were real, you can't use the argument of infallability against the novus ordo members because neither of those two saints were declared saints - it happened through universal acclamation of the faithful.  

Sadly she is not in the 62 missal either -they culled her in '61.

In any case, Rome approved their respective cults, and in that they are infallible.

Cristian

I find it easier and more logical to believe the whole Faith is a load of crap and died in 1958 than to believe The Church has existed in some strange weird form with no visible head for 50+ years, known only to a handful of home-aloners and (no offense) a lot of cook nutters. There is absolutely no precedent for this insanity. This "theory" in my opinion, is what makes a fool of God and, in my opinion, those who hold to it.

It is as if sedes are clinging on to a beheaded corpse of a Church, pretending the body is still alive and waiting for a new head to sprout. If we haven't had a Pope in 50 years and counting our Church is DEAD and is never coming back. Sedes will continue to cryogenically freeze the corpse in a state of perpetual suspended animation and worship in a fossilized dead faith until they all eventually fade away and become irrelevant (not that they are relevant now).

I think sedes need to step back, stop arguing minutiae to absurd conclusions, and look at where their "theories" take them. To a dead end of despair and/ or delusional fancies. They are basically a group of Protestants whose Faith is a caricature of Catholicism fashioned out of their own private interpretation and fancy.

I graduated High School in 1958, Catholic school my entire life, and at Mount St. Michael we have the same faith, with the SV position, because the new catholic is the one that left.

SV, at least at the Mount, we believe in the office of Pope, even have the Papal flag in our Church.  The Church is not dead, we practice the Faith there and you are totally wrong.  

SV does not claim to know what God's next move is, as you try to figure out.  We just have Faith that He has not left us orphans, the Faith is alive, well, growing because the Holy Ghost is there with us.  While the rest of you live in confusion it seems to me.  

The reason why SV is so attacked by even Catholics is because it is True. And the devil knows it.

Now let the ignores pile up.   :roll-laugh1: