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Offline InfiniteFaith

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Can someone from the SSPX marry an Orthodox Christian?
« on: June 22, 2014, 05:37:16 AM »
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  • From one of the Eastern Churches that do not recognize the Pope in Rome as their Pope? What about Sedevacantist and SSPX can they intermarry?


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    Can someone from the SSPX marry an Orthodox Christian?
    « Reply #1 on: June 22, 2014, 06:05:45 AM »
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    From one of the Eastern Churches that do not recognize the Pope in Rome as their Pope? What about Sedevacantist and SSPX can they intermarry?


    IF, Orthodox deny the papacy, that is the primacy of Peter, and are therefore heretics. The papacy is not the only Church teaching they deny. They reject all Catholic Church teaching since they separated themselves from the true Church, eg the Immaculate Conception.
    It would not be very unwise to make such a marriage.
     
    Sedevacantists do not deny the papacy. Sedevacantists accept all the truths taught by the Catholic Church. A sede and an SSPXer would have a few things to sort out, but all couples considering marriage do, on all sorts of things.

    Two very different situations. That's my 2c.

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    Can someone from the SSPX marry an Orthodox Christian?
    « Reply #2 on: June 22, 2014, 06:06:37 AM »
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  • IDK, BTW the Eastern Orthodox deny Purgatory, immaculate conception and other things which makes them heretics.

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    Can someone from the SSPX marry an Orthodox Christian?
    « Reply #3 on: June 22, 2014, 08:35:23 AM »
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  • It would be an unlawful marriage.

    SSPX Catholics and sedevacantist Catholics are both Catholic, so such a marriage would be fine.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Can someone from the SSPX marry an Orthodox Christian?
    « Reply #4 on: June 22, 2014, 08:45:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith
    From one of the Eastern Churches that do not recognize the Pope in Rome as their Pope? What about Sedevacantist and SSPX can they intermarry?


    Orthodox is not Catholic but there are Catholics who  have a "different" Pope.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 22, 2014, 06:11:42 PM »
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  • It's split down Latin readers vs Greek readers.

    Crusaders ransacked Constantinople of treasures, killed ? and stuck a stooge on the throne (direct cause of historical schism)

    From what I read on one site, Orthodox relegate "Revelations" to a minor works and don't include it in teaching!
    Millions of Russians are ignorant about it for all I know.

    I read that they can tell (as native Greek readers) that it was most probably not written by a true disciple, because there are too many grammar etc errors - which is fascinating. I have yet to see this refuted!

    The apostles carried out their Greek written works (included in The Bible) in perfect Greek, with no mistakes anywhere.

    Bloomin fascinating!

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    « Reply #6 on: June 22, 2014, 09:47:12 PM »
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  • Glaston, what ARE you taking?
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    « Reply #7 on: June 22, 2014, 10:46:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: glaston
    It's split down Latin readers vs Greek readers.

    Crusaders ransacked Constantinople of treasures, killed ? and stuck a stooge on the throne (direct cause of historical schism)

    From what I read on one site, Orthodox relegate "Revelations" to a minor works and don't include it in teaching!
    Millions of Russians are ignorant about it for all I know.

    I read that they can tell (as native Greek readers) that it was most probably not written by a true disciple, because there are too many grammar etc errors - which is fascinating. I have yet to see this refuted!

    The apostles carried out their Greek written works (included in The Bible) in perfect Greek, with no mistakes anywhere.

    Bloomin fascinating!

    Considering that Greek was not the first language of St John, it should not be surprising that the Apocalypse would contain grammitical errors.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 22, 2014, 10:49:41 PM »
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  • According to Canon Law a Catholic can marry an Eastern Orthodox but a dispensation from the bishop would be required. For a good reason the dispensation could also include permission for the wedding to occur in the Orthodox Church.  

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    « Reply #9 on: June 22, 2014, 11:15:51 PM »
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    According to Canon Law a Catholic can marry an Eastern Orthodox but a dispensation from the bishop would be required. For a good reason the dispensation could also include permission for the wedding to occur in the Orthodox Church.  


    Why would the wedding occur in the Orthodox Church? Chances are, the situation would be reversed and the Orthodox party would be the one required to swear to raise any children in their faith. That does not seem right for a Catholic, who should be the one leading the family into the faith.
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    « Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 02:42:43 AM »
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    According to Canon Law a Catholic can marry an Eastern Orthodox but a dispensation from the bishop would be required. For a good reason the dispensation could also include permission for the wedding to occur in the Orthodox Church.  


    Why would the wedding occur in the Orthodox Church? Chances are, the situation would be reversed and the Orthodox party would be the one required to swear to raise any children in their faith. That does not seem right for a Catholic, who should be the one leading the family into the faith.

    of course I agree that the Catholic should take the lead in the religous ecducation of children in marriages where one spouse is Catholic and the other is not. However this was an attempt to answer the question from the standpoint of Canon Law. If you want your marriage to be recognized by the Catholic Church there is a set of tules that have to be followed. You would have to start with the 1983 Code of Canon Law.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM


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    « Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 05:43:56 AM »
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    According to Canon Law a Catholic can marry an Eastern Orthodox but a dispensation from the bishop would be required. For a good reason the dispensation could also include permission for the wedding to occur in the Orthodox Church.  


    Why would the wedding occur in the Orthodox Church? Chances are, the situation would be reversed and the Orthodox party would be the one required to swear to raise any children in their faith. That does not seem right for a Catholic, who should be the one leading the family into the faith.

    of course I agree that the Catholic should take the lead in the religous ecducation of children in marriages where one spouse is Catholic and the other is not. However this was an attempt to answer the question from the standpoint of Canon Law. If you want your marriage to be recognized by the Catholic Church there is a set of tules that have to be followed. You would have to start with the 1983 Code of Canon Law.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM


    So it has always been taught that you could marry an orthodox with a dispensation or is that something that has come out of the blue since Vatican II?

    What do you think the odds are that a bishop would grant a dispensation? Would love be a good enough reason for a dispensation to be granted?

    What if I went out and met a girl who was orthodox, and knew about her religion from the start but pursued her anyways? Would this be sinful by any means?

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    « Reply #12 on: June 23, 2014, 07:31:53 AM »
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  • It wouldn't be sinful, but if the society or apostolate the wedding adheres by the old Canon Law of 1917, they likely would not have it within Mass as is usually done as per Canon 1019.

    Link to the 1917 Code's English translation.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 23, 2014, 07:51:18 AM »
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    It's split down Latin readers vs Greek readers.

    Crusaders ransacked Constantinople of treasures, killed ? and stuck a stooge on the throne (direct cause of historical schism)

    From what I read on one site, Orthodox relegate "Revelations" to a minor works and don't include it in teaching!
    Millions of Russians are ignorant about it for all I know.

    I read that they can tell (as native Greek readers) that it was most probably not written by a true disciple, because there are too many grammar etc errors - which is fascinating. I have yet to see this refuted!

    The apostles carried out their Greek written works (included in The Bible) in perfect Greek, with no mistakes anywhere.

    Bloomin fascinating!

    Considering that Greek was not the first language of St John, it should not be surprising that the Apocalypse would contain grammitical errors.


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    « Reply #14 on: June 23, 2014, 09:00:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith
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    Quote from: poche
    According to Canon Law a Catholic can marry an Eastern Orthodox but a dispensation from the bishop would be required. For a good reason the dispensation could also include permission for the wedding to occur in the Orthodox Church.  


    Why would the wedding occur in the Orthodox Church? Chances are, the situation would be reversed and the Orthodox party would be the one required to swear to raise any children in their faith. That does not seem right for a Catholic, who should be the one leading the family into the faith.

    of course I agree that the Catholic should take the lead in the religous ecducation of children in marriages where one spouse is Catholic and the other is not. However this was an attempt to answer the question from the standpoint of Canon Law. If you want your marriage to be recognized by the Catholic Church there is a set of tules that have to be followed. You would have to start with the 1983 Code of Canon Law.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM


    So it has always been taught that you could marry an orthodox with a dispensation or is that something that has come out of the blue since Vatican II?

    What do you think the odds are that a bishop would grant a dispensation? Would love be a good enough reason for a dispensation to be granted?

    What if I went out and met a girl who was orthodox, and knew about her religion from the start but pursued her anyways? Would this be sinful by any means?

    It has always been taught that you could marry a non-Catholic with a dispensation. Dispensations are given out almost automatically. It is primarily a matter of filling in the right paperwork and going to the correct preparation.
    If you fell in love with a girl who was Orthodox who was willing to return your affection then as long as you do what is honorable and right in the eyes of God then there would be no sin involved. In fact if you are faithful to the vocation that God is calling you to then you could become very holy being married to her.