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Offline Potiphera

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  • I get confused with all these labels.    :scratchchin:

    Neo this neo that,

    Neomodernist,

    Neo SSPX


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    Can it be explaine to me what Neomodernist and modernist is?
    « Reply #1 on: June 24, 2014, 05:19:13 AM »
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  • Hi Potiphera, I'm pleased you started this thread.

    The word neo simply means new. The rest is a bit more complivated, but I'm sure you'll get your questions answered. I'll be back.

    But first a bit about your own history would be helpful in knowing where to start.
    How old are you, cradle catholic or convert, upbringing etc.

    God bless


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    Can it be explaine to me what Neomodernist and modernist is?
    « Reply #2 on: June 24, 2014, 05:54:52 AM »
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  • BTW, did you  try reading Pius X's  encyclical which I posted the link to on the Joey thread? Basically modernism is a heresy, and Pius X calls it "the synthesis of all heresies".

    You might find this useful: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/modernism/modnsm.htm

    Neo SSPX means the SSPX since it has taken a turn away from the original intent of Archbishop LeFebvre, by seeking a deal with modernist Rome, ie before Rome rejects the errors in Vatican 2.  

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    Can it be explaine to me what Neomodernist and modernist is?
    « Reply #3 on: June 24, 2014, 09:15:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    BTW, did you  try reading Pius X's  encyclical which I posted the link to on the Joey thread? Basically modernism is a heresy, and Pius X calls it "the synthesis of all heresies".

    You might find this useful: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/modernism/modnsm.htm

    Neo SSPX means the SSPX since it has taken a turn away from the original intent of Archbishop LeFebvre, by seeking a deal with modernist Rome, ie before Rome rejects the errors in Vatican 2.  





    Yes, thank you for the link which I shall read.
    My own background is that I am a middle aged post V2 convert during JPII time of office.  I'm from the UK.  I became interested in the  SSPX , been to several Latin Rite Masses depending on where I lived at the time.
    At present I am no where near an SSPX chapel, so I attend  NO.

    Over the years, all the infighting and splits and nastiness with in some SSPXers    has made me think twice about  being a staunch member.

    That's about it folks.  If you'll bear with me and put up with my so called 'modernist' questions ,  I'm always a willing pupil, and I'd be happy to stay on board.    Actually, I really hate the word modernist, but then I suppose what you mean by 'modernist'  is   Marxist doctrine in the church.   Having said that,  I think Pope Benedict is phenomenal scholar and thinker , I don't think his teaching  is anywhere near Marxist.    


    God love you.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 05:29:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: Potiphera

    Yes, thank you for the link which I shall read.
    My own background is that I am a middle aged post V2 convert during JPII time of office.  I'm from the UK.  I became interested in the  SSPX , been to several Latin Rite Masses depending on where I lived at the time.
    At present I am no where near an SSPX chapel, so I attend  NO.

    Over the years, all the infighting and splits and nastiness with in some SSPXers    has made me think twice about  being a staunch member.

    That's about it folks.  If you'll bear with me and put up with my so called 'modernist' questions ,  I'm always a willing pupil, and I'd be happy to stay on board.    Actually, I really hate the word modernist, but then I suppose what you mean by 'modernist'  is   Marxist doctrine in the church.   Having said that,  I think Pope Benedict is phenomenal scholar and thinker , I don't think his teaching  is anywhere near Marxist.    

    God love you.

    :)


    Ah! the picture is coming clearer. About me, I am an old Aussie cradle Catholic nurtured lovingly in the faith of our Fathers and educated in the old school by holy nuns in habits, got sucked into the Vat2 deceit and thankfully was shown the door to true freedom quite recently.

    What was it that prompted your interest in SSPX and Latin Rite Masses? Curiosty? Dissatifaction? or something else altogether?

    I can understand that you are reserved in your attachment. SSPX is really the only far-reaching movement that has attempted to keep the Faith intact. There are other individuals and groups which have put in a good effort, but some have caved in and others operate only in isolated situations. So the focus here is generally on SSPX.

    It really is important to do your own homework on this in order to come to an understanding.

    It is important to understand what we mean by the heresy of modernism, as not to get sucked in, or more probably, to extricate yourself from it. It is necessary to know the faith as it was handed down to us from the Apostles. This is NOT presented to you within the infrastructure of the Church, which was taken over in a coup called the Second Vatican Council, and what we call here the Novus Ordo (NO) or newchurch.





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    « Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 06:36:49 PM »
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  • Neomodernists and modernists as far as concern are one and the same.

    Once one infallible dogma of the Church is rejected because the modernists
    claims they are no longer relevant. The modernist rejects all infallible dogmas
    as no longer relevant.
    Do let turns such as neo fool you.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 24, 2014, 06:53:32 PM »
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  • Turns is corrected to be Terms. Sorry, it got cemented before I discovered the
    error.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 24, 2014, 10:52:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Potiphera
    Quote from: Nadir
    BTW, did you  try reading Pius X's  encyclical which I posted the link to on the Joey thread? Basically modernism is a heresy, and Pius X calls it "the synthesis of all heresies".

    You might find this useful: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/modernism/modnsm.htm

    Neo SSPX means the SSPX since it has taken a turn away from the original intent of Archbishop LeFebvre, by seeking a deal with modernist Rome, ie before Rome rejects the errors in Vatican 2.  





    Yes, thank you for the link which I shall read.
    My own background is that I am a middle aged post V2 convert during JPII time of office.  I'm from the UK.  I became interested in the  SSPX , been to several Latin Rite Masses depending on where I lived at the time.
    At present I am no where near an SSPX chapel, so I attend  NO.

    Over the years, all the infighting and splits and nastiness with in some SSPXers    has made me think twice about  being a staunch member.

    That's about it folks.  If you'll bear with me and put up with my so called 'modernist' questions ,  I'm always a willing pupil, and I'd be happy to stay on board.    Actually, I really hate the word modernist, but then I suppose what you mean by 'modernist'  is   Marxist doctrine in the church.   Having said that,  I think Pope Benedict is phenomenal scholar and thinker , I don't think his teaching  is anywhere near Marxist.    


    God love you.

    :)


    Reading/posting on forums is the least efficient way to come to an understanding of the Crisis in the Church. Our lives are short and eternity is long so use your time wisely.

    The Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ on the rock of St. Peter. The Church is the only ark of salvation, nobody is saved outside the Church. For 1800 years the enemies of God and man attacked the Church viscously from outside. Today the enemies are not only outside, but also within the Church. Both Pope Leo XIII and Pope Pius IX, who reigned in the late 1800's, asked for "The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita" to be published. This document was a detailed plan laid out by freemasons who were to infiltrate the Catholic Church and attempt to destroy her from within. Buy this document and read it.

    Popes are infallible in very limited circumstances. You do not have to follow the Pope in everything he does. Simon and Peter coexisted in the same person and sometimes Simon did things harmful to the faith, that is why we read in the Bible St. Paul rebuked him. Jorge Bergoglio and Pope Francis coexist in the same person, and often times Jorge can promote things harmful to the faith, when he does this the solution is simple, don't follow him. We have 1900 years of tradition to be our guide.

    There are a few Papal encyclicals that must be read to know how the modern hierarchy is acting diabolically opposed to traditional Church teaching.
    Read Pope Gregory XVI's encyclical Mirari Vos (On Liberalism and Religious Indifferentism
    Read Pope St. Pius X's encyclical Pascendi Dominci Gregis (On the Doctrine of the Modernists
    Read Pope Pius XI's encyclical Mortalium Animos (On True Religious Unity)

    Buy or read online Archbishop Lefebvre's Open Letter to Confused Catholics

    The best website that explains the modern crisis in the Church is traditioninaction.org Reading the content on that website will be a better use of your time than reading forums or other websites that are not as good.

    You should go to a traditional Latin Mass if possible, even if it is a long drive. You should still go even if it isn't the SSPX or SSPX-MC.

    The Douay Rheims Bible is a faithful translation of the Latin Vulgate and a must have for all Catholics who can afford to get one. The Catechism of the Council of Trent is wonderful and can be purchased from various traditional publishing companies. God Bless you.
    "The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a man who thinks other people can get along without It. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who thinks he needs It but someone else does not. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who offers others any charity ahead of this Charity of the Bread of Life." -Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life


     

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