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Offline SeanJohnson

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Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
« on: August 20, 2019, 06:13:36 AM »
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  • No, not doctrinally!

    Bear with me, as I am going somewhere with this in the next couple posts.

    For now, read this interesting story about Mexican Mormon colonists, who decided to take matters into their own hands:
     https://polizeros.com/2015/05/10/mexican-mormon-war-drug-cartels-vs-mormons/


    The Mexican Mormon War (Drug Cartels vs. Mormons)
    SUN, MAY 10, 2015 ~ BOB MORRIS

    Mitt Romney’s father George was born in a Mormon colony in Colonia Juarez, Mexico. Mormons are still there, and are actively fighting drug cartels, kidnappings, violence, corruption, and crime, as docuмented in The Mexican Mormon War video from Vice. The Mormons are tough, well-armed, and well-organized. Their illegal weapons, as well as the narco’s illegal weapons, come from America. The money comes from America. The drugs are shipped to America. The war is fought in Mexico. For now.
    Some Mormons moved to Mexico in the 1870’s, where polygamy was still legal, after the US government ordered LDS to renounce polygamy or be exterminated. (However, that’s another story.) Current day Mormons in Colonia Juarez are well-off, have nice homes and schools, and that’s why they are targeted by the narcos. Mormons fought back, led by the LeBaron family. Brent LeBaron’s great-uncle was the bat-shit crazy killer Ervil LeBaron who believed in blood atonement, and who killed or had killed anyone who opposed him, including wives, children, and probably Brent’s grandfather. This happened in the 1980’s. Ervil was responsible for dozens of murders. Because of this insane split within the family, the LeBaron’s learned to be watchful, tough, and ready.
    So, when a local cartel kidnapped 16-year-old Eric LeBaron and demanded one million dollars ransom, Mormons put such pressure on the government, that Eric was returned unharmed with no ransom paid. The narcos retaliated by killing two members of the LeBaron clan. The narco leader was eventually offered up to the US, but 20 or so others involved in the murders were never prosecuted.
    Mormons set up checkpoints, watch towers, and use counter-terrorism techniques. The military also has a base in their area (because they trust Mormons) and routinely sets up roadblocks. Killings and kidnappings in the area have lessened. All this without being able to own privately own weapons. Sort of. If you start a gun club in Mexico, you do get access to weapons, even if you can’t own them. Their first attempt at founding such a club was thwarted by a corrupt mayor who was working for the narcos. He is now in prison and the Mormons got their gun club. They also point-blank say they have illegal weapons and “come find them if you want.”
    Alex LeBaron is a congressman there working to legalize gun ownership. The Mexico Army once attacked their area. The LeBarons thought the Army were criminals and shot a soldier. Cartel leaders called to say they had new respect for the LeBarons. Which gives some idea how insane things in Mexico can get.

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    The cartels of Juarez, Mexico, are at war with a group of Mormons, some of whom are related to Mitt Romney. We went there to docuмent the conflict, meet Romney’s Mormon family, and find out more about how US policy is impacting the war on drugs.

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #1 on: August 20, 2019, 06:22:23 AM »
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  • Now, I am thinking about the terrible desecration of Fatima which took place in July, and I am wondering why Catholics stand for it?

    In former times, we were tougher than Muslims, Mormans, and Jєωs.

    But not today.

    But we need to get that toughness back if our religion is going to survive against a system that wants to eradicate it.

    Here is how Catholics used to react to threats against our persons and properties, as recounted by the aggressive former Archbishop of New York, "Dagger" John Hughes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hughes_(archbishop_of_New_York)

    "He became known as "Dagger John", both for his following the Catholic practice wherein a bishop precedes his signature with a cross, as well as for his aggressive personality...In 1844 anti-Catholic riots instigated by Nativist agitators threatened to spread to New York from Philadelphia, where two churches had been burned and twelve people had died. Hughes put armed guards at Catholic churches and, after learning a Nativist rally was scheduled to take place in New York, famously told the Nativist sympathizing mayor that "if a single Catholic Church were burned in New York, the city would become a second Moscow" – a reference to the Fire of Moscow.[10] City leaders took him at his word, and the anti-Catholic faction was not allowed to conduct its rally.

    [Note: Napoleon burned Moscow to the ground]
    Hughes founded the Ultramontane newspaper the New York Freeman to express his ideas.[6] In 1850 he delivered an address entitled "The Decline of Protestantism and Its Causes," in which he announced as the ambition of Catholicism "to convert all Pagan nations, and all Protestant nations. . . . Our mission [is] to convert the world –including the inhabitants of the United States – the people of the cities, and the people of the country, . . . the Legislatures, the Senate, the Cabinet, the President, and all!"
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #2 on: August 20, 2019, 06:24:44 AM »
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  • Would you believe that even in our pathetic times of know-nothing/do-nothing Catholics, there is a group which has taken up the role of Catholic militancy (first instituted with ecclesiastical approval before the Council, then later aligned to Archbishop Lefebvre, and now aligned with the Resistance)?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #3 on: August 20, 2019, 06:42:15 AM »
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  • They also maintain a strong missionary culture, and young Mormon men take pride in their time as missionaries. Meanwhile the Church all but condemns it. 

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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #4 on: August 20, 2019, 08:57:23 AM »
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  • The Mormons often take their religion seriously -- we could certainly learn from that!

    We can also learn from their "US and THEM" mentality -- they know they don't belong to, or fit in with, the modern world. They are content to be more or less different from the worldlings around them.
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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #5 on: August 20, 2019, 09:17:21 AM »
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  • The Mormons often take their religion seriously -- we could certainly learn from that!

    We can also learn from their "US and THEM" mentality -- they know they don't belong to, or fit in with, the modern world. They are content to be more or less different from the worldlings around them.
    As opposed to the NO "it's immodest to stand out" line. 

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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #6 on: August 20, 2019, 06:51:08 PM »
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  • United you stand, divided you fall.

    The Cristeros learned that the hard way.

    The Mormons stand together because they have been a persecuted cult from the beginning. If they didn't stand together they would have been wiped out.

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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #7 on: August 20, 2019, 07:13:54 PM »
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  • I think that when you look at Catholic social action, you're pretty much always going to find strong clerical leadership.  It's pretty rarely the case that Catholics just, of their own volition, get up and do whatever.  Kind of comes with the territory.  Sheep and shepherds.
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    Even traditionalist clergy don't really do much better than the Novus Ordo clerics with regard to social action.  Part of this is that they are spread very thin, and sometimes have little time or resources to do anything beyond completing their mass circuits.  So I am not trying to dump unneeded criticism on them.  But I nevertheless think there is a pretty noticeable dearth of traditional Catholic clergy rallying the faithful over this or that social evil. 
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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #8 on: August 21, 2019, 10:44:43 PM »
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  • I remember Ronnie Thompson, otherwise known as machine gun Ronnie. He was mayor of a middle sized city in middle Georgia. They had a problem with burglary. Mayor Ronny gave the police orders to shoot first and ask questions later. The police shot a few people and civil rights organizations complained but the problem with burglary went way down in that city.  

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    Re: Can Catholics Learn from Mormons?
    « Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 06:43:04 AM »
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  • They had a problem with burglary.

    People try to steal from my local parish Church because they leave it open so that we can pray. I remember once a man tried to steal from the poor box and the Priest, Father C. caught him and immediately the man got down on his knees and said "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned." LOL.

    Recently someone tried to steal again but he got nothing. A priest didn't even need to stop him. And the Bishop was so confident that he even wrote about it in the Tablet letting the world know all about it.

    Imagine that! Trying to steal from a Church.
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