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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jovita on January 18, 2018, 12:22:53 PM

Title: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Jovita on January 18, 2018, 12:22:53 PM
I am confused by this article. It's says the pope married a civilly married couple, both flight attendents, on the plane he was on. 

https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/surprise-pope-marries-chilean-couple-aboard-papal-flight
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: happenby on January 18, 2018, 12:24:17 PM
I am confused by this article. It's says the pope married a civilly married couple, both flight attendents, on the plane he was on.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/surprise-pope-marries-chilean-couple-aboard-papal-flight
Seems he can.  But at what cost?  This poor guy needs prayer. 
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Dolores on January 18, 2018, 03:11:30 PM
I do not believe that living in sin is an impediment to marriage.  Assuming this is true then, yes, a pope could marry such a couple.  What a pope should marry such a couple is a different story.
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Cantarella on January 19, 2018, 12:20:48 AM
No confession and absolutely no preparation...

This triviality does not seem right. 
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Cantarella on January 19, 2018, 12:25:38 AM
From a canon's lawyer blog on the "validity" of this marriage:

Thoughts on a Mid-Air Marriage  (https://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/thoughts-on-a-mid-air-marriage/)
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: poche on January 19, 2018, 01:31:39 AM
I am confused by this article. It's says the pope married a civilly married couple, both flight attendents, on the plane he was on.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/surprise-pope-marries-chilean-couple-aboard-papal-flight
Once they are married they are no longer 'living in sin.'
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: poche on January 19, 2018, 01:32:55 AM
No confession and absolutely no preparation...

This triviality does not seem right.
It appears that this was prearranged. So the preparation and confession would already have taken place.
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: stgobnait on January 19, 2018, 09:05:52 AM
What a load of rubbish, it was a photo shoot and nothing more, PF just gets worse and worse, and there seems to be no way to rein him in, so he will continue to undermine the Faith and the Sacraments in this way, as a Pope he makes a good registrar...
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: 2Vermont on January 19, 2018, 03:43:32 PM
It appears that this was prearranged. So the preparation and confession would already have taken place.
Where does it say it was prearranged?  It seems to me that this was a complete surprise act.
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Fanny on January 19, 2018, 10:12:08 PM
I do not believe that living in sin is an impediment to marriage.  Assuming this is true then, yes, a pope could marry such a couple.  What a pope should marry such a couple is a different story.
Living in sin is not an impediment to marriage?  Since when? 
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Marlelar on January 20, 2018, 09:27:30 AM
Living in sin is not an impediment to marriage?  Since when?
Since the NO came into being. Their clergy marry cohabitators all the time. 
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Ladislaus on January 20, 2018, 09:34:19 AM
Since the NO came into being. Their clergy marry cohabitators all the time.

Heck, half their clergy are cohabitating themselves ... usually with men.
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: happenby on January 20, 2018, 10:16:34 AM
Grounded Catholics are subject to rules the mile high club isn't. 
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Fanny on January 20, 2018, 12:49:35 PM
Since the NO came into being. Their clergy marry cohabitators all the time.
Just because they do it doesn't make it valid or licit.
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Dolores on January 20, 2018, 01:17:57 PM
Living in sin is not an impediment to marriage?  Since when?
I’m willing to be corrected, but I’ve never seen living in sin listed as an impediment to marriage. The impediments I am aware of are the following:

Betrothal
Vow of chastity or Holy Orders
Mixed marriage
Forbidden time (abolished in the 1917 code of canon law)
Impuberty
Impotency
Abduction
Disparity of cult
Crime
Consanguinity
Spiritual relationship
Clandestinely
Defect of intellect
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Marlelar on January 20, 2018, 01:33:02 PM
Just because they do it doesn't make it valid or licit.
That's right, by traditional standards, but the NO doesn't hold to tradition, they make up their own rules as they go along.
Title: Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
Post by: Marlelar on January 20, 2018, 02:12:08 PM
 regarding impediments -


Catholic Encyclopedia (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07695a.htm)  the citations in this article are from 1910 so I assume we can take this as traditional teaching.