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Offline Jovita

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Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
« on: January 18, 2018, 12:22:53 PM »
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    • I am confused by this article. It's says the pope married a civilly married couple, both flight attendents, on the plane he was on. 

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/surprise-pope-marries-chilean-couple-aboard-papal-flight
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    Offline happenby

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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #1 on: January 18, 2018, 12:24:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jovita on January 18, 2018, 12:22:53 PM
    I am confused by this article. It's says the pope married a civilly married couple, both flight attendents, on the plane he was on.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/surprise-pope-marries-chilean-couple-aboard-papal-flight
    Seems he can.  But at what cost?  This poor guy needs prayer. 
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #2 on: January 18, 2018, 03:11:30 PM »
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    • I do not believe that living in sin is an impediment to marriage.  Assuming this is true then, yes, a pope could marry such a couple.  What a pope should marry such a couple is a different story.
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #3 on: January 19, 2018, 12:20:48 AM »
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    • No confession and absolutely no preparation...

    This triviality does not seem right. 
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #4 on: January 19, 2018, 12:25:38 AM »
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    • From a canon's lawyer blog on the "validity" of this marriage:

    Thoughts on a Mid-Air Marriage 
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #5 on: January 19, 2018, 01:31:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jovita on January 18, 2018, 12:22:53 PM
    I am confused by this article. It's says the pope married a civilly married couple, both flight attendents, on the plane he was on.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/surprise-pope-marries-chilean-couple-aboard-papal-flight
    Once they are married they are no longer 'living in sin.'
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #6 on: January 19, 2018, 01:32:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on January 19, 2018, 12:20:48 AM
    No confession and absolutely no preparation...

    This triviality does not seem right.
    It appears that this was prearranged. So the preparation and confession would already have taken place.
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #7 on: January 19, 2018, 09:05:52 AM »
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    • What a load of rubbish, it was a photo shoot and nothing more, PF just gets worse and worse, and there seems to be no way to rein him in, so he will continue to undermine the Faith and the Sacraments in this way, as a Pope he makes a good registrar...
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #8 on: January 19, 2018, 03:43:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 19, 2018, 01:32:55 AM
    It appears that this was prearranged. So the preparation and confession would already have taken place.
    Where does it say it was prearranged?  It seems to me that this was a complete surprise act.
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 10:12:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dolores on January 18, 2018, 03:11:30 PM
    I do not believe that living in sin is an impediment to marriage.  Assuming this is true then, yes, a pope could marry such a couple.  What a pope should marry such a couple is a different story.
    Living in sin is not an impediment to marriage?  Since when? 
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #10 on: January 20, 2018, 09:27:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on January 19, 2018, 10:12:08 PM
    Living in sin is not an impediment to marriage?  Since when?
    Since the NO came into being. Their clergy marry cohabitators all the time. 
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 09:34:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on January 20, 2018, 09:27:30 AM
    Since the NO came into being. Their clergy marry cohabitators all the time.

    Heck, half their clergy are cohabitating themselves ... usually with men.
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 10:16:34 AM »
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    • Grounded Catholics are subject to rules the mile high club isn't. 
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 12:49:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on January 20, 2018, 09:27:30 AM
    Since the NO came into being. Their clergy marry cohabitators all the time.
    Just because they do it doesn't make it valid or licit.
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    Re: Can a pope marry couple living in sin?
    « Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 01:17:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on January 19, 2018, 10:12:08 PM
    Living in sin is not an impediment to marriage?  Since when?
    I’m willing to be corrected, but I’ve never seen living in sin listed as an impediment to marriage. The impediments I am aware of are the following:

    Betrothal
    Vow of chastity or Holy Orders
    Mixed marriage
    Forbidden time (abolished in the 1917 code of canon law)
    Impuberty
    Impotency
    Abduction
    Disparity of cult
    Crime
    Consanguinity
    Spiritual relationship
    Clandestinely
    Defect of intellect
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