Author Topic: Can a heretic "bless" anyone (Read 1040 times)

Cathedra · « **on:** July 20, 2013, 12:18:24 PM »

Are the "blessings" of heretics/non-Catholics of any "use"?

For example if someone who is clearly a non-Catholic, either someone who is Novus Ordo or a Protestant, says to me, "God bless you", could i tell that person, "your blessing doesn't work since you're not even a Catholic"?

It makes me think also of parents, since, if they are true Catholics, i think i have read somewhere that their blessings are special or something. Well what if they are heretics/non-Catholics? Do their "blessings" still work?

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2013, 12:20:37 PM »

What I wonder, similar to this, is whether the curses of evil men work. When witches cast spells on people, do they have any power?

Napoli · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2013, 03:58:09 PM »

Blessings come from God. The opposite from Satan.

Read Malachi Martin.

Frances · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2013, 04:28:27 PM »

Look at the intention. Take it at face-value. No, it's not a sacramental coming from a Protestant, but it IS a wish that you would be well and prosper.
As for hexes, spells, curses, I'd ask your priest if there is any reason for concern. Stay in a state of grace, pray the Rosary, wear the brown scapular, Miraculous Medal, St. Benedict, St. Michael. Lean on the Sacred Heart, stay under Mary's Mantle.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2013, 04:43:53 PM »

A sacramental blessing given by a priest is not the same as a layman (Catholic or not) saying 'God bless you.' A priest is a vessel chosen by God to dispense His grace. We are not (in the sense that a priest is).

Only someone with valid holy orders can bestow a sacramental blessing on a person or a thing. An interesting question would be whether or not Orthodox or other schismatic or heretical groups with valid orders can grant a sacramental blessing. I would assume yes, though it would be illicit usually. I'm not sure.

songbird · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2013, 06:31:40 PM »

We know if a Protestant baptizes and performs it correctly and the right intention it is valid. If a non-catholic gives a blessing, it is from their god. And that is not ours so it is nothing.

Satan does have powers. The antichrist will have powers. Powers to kill a body, but not the soul.

Sigismund · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:11:05 PM »

Quote from: Cathedra

Are the "blessings" of heretics/non-Catholics of any "use"?

For example if someone who is clearly a non-Catholic, either someone who is Novus Ordo or a Protestant, says to me, "God bless you", could i tell that person, "your blessing doesn't work since you're not even a Catholic"?

It makes me think also of parents, since, if they are true Catholics, i think i have read somewhere that their blessings are special or something. Well what if they are heretics/non-Catholics? Do their "blessings" still work?

You could do that, but it would be astonishingly rude. People of whatever background offering you the blessing of God, do not deserve a rebuff. It is for God to decide what grace if any is involved. Say thank you and move on.

Tiffany · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:48:16 PM »

I always say God bless you right back.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2013, 10:03:47 AM »

First of all, a Protestant isn't asking the Catholic God (the only God, that is) to bless you. A Protestant is 'praying' to whatever 'god' they've manufactured in the last 100 years or so.

Ergo, Protestant 'blessings' are nothing more than nice sentimental statements. Meant well, they are harmless. If included with the 'blessing' is some sort of hint or mention that you 'walk with j-zus' (NOT Our Lord Jesus Christ, hence the misspelling) or that you 'draw close to gawd', then be careful. That person might realize you're a Catholic and they might be 'praying' that you be converted to their heresies.

Secondly, it surprises me how many people simply don't catch the tricky little clause in the definition of validity as it relates to schismatic or heretical sects performing acts like baptism.

The definition of validity includes RIGHT INTENTION, that is, an intention to DO WHAT THE CHURCH INTENDS TO DO in administering said baptism.

PERHAPS an Anglican or even a Lutheran, who believe in baptismal regeneration (that is, being born again through baptism, having one's original sin and any actual sins remitted THROUGH the sacramental grace of baptism) might have the correct intent.

An 'evangelical' Protestant, or, for that matter, the vast majority of so-called Protestant 'christians' in the world, would NEVER have the right intent if they were faithful to their (heretical) theology, because they would never baptize someone with the INTENT of remitting sin and actualizing entrance into the Kingdom of God and into sanctifying grace.

Do yourselves the favor of staying away from as many occasions of 'ministerial' contact with Protestants and other heretics as you possibly can. Keep away from 'National Day of Prayer' events, Prot-sponsored tables at fairs, etc and you'll avoid most of the most committed 'believers' who would want to 'bless' you.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Tiffany · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2013, 01:03:28 PM »

Franklin Graham closed the 2001 inaugural invocation with the name of The Holy Trinity, how is that not praying to God? I don't understand why you say it's a false god?
We pray this in the name of the Father, and of the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen

Telesphorus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2013, 03:28:54 PM »

If sacraments are valid when done by heretics what about sacramentals?

If an icon is blessed by an orthodox priest for instance?

poche · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2013, 11:29:11 PM »

From the Gospel of Mark Chapters 9:38-41
"John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us." Jesus replied, "Do not prevent him. There is no one who performs a mighty deed in my name who can at the same time speak ill of me. For whoever is not against us is for us. Anyone who gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ, amen, I say to you, will surely not lose his reward."

Zeitun · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2013, 10:45:23 AM »

People get mad at me for not saying "Bless you" after they sneeze.
:cussing:

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2013, 12:59:22 PM »

Franklin Graham's false god didn't found the Catholic Church. Franklin Graham believes that the thousands of heretical Protestant sects are legitimately Christian. Ergo, as St. Augustine said, they can have faith in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost and preach it, too, BUT NEVER CAN THEY BE SAVED EXCEPT IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Poche, when Our Lord said those words, He was speaking about an Israelite who was being faithful to the then-standing covenant between God and Israel. Thus, the person in question could be blessed with the ability to cast out demons in the Name of the Israelites' Messiah.

No one SINCE the foundation of Holy Church and the total eradication of the old covenant is able to do ANYTHING good without sanctifying grace which is only available in the Church through Christ.

Stop proof-texting like a madman and a Protestant heretic.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.