Author Topic: Caminus is banned - temporarily (Read 3039 times)

Matthew · « **on:** June 03, 2012, 12:01:40 AM »

Say you were living through Vatican II, and saw CLEARLY and had countless evidence that the Novus Ordo Mass is doing grave harm to the Faith, and to souls. As you see it, disobedience to your local priest -- even the Pope -- is warranted, since obedience is beneath Faith, Hope, and Charity.

You are convinced you are "in the right" to leave your Parish, and stay home until a Traditional Mass location is formed near you.

Now pretend you and a bunch of like-minded Catholics start meeting up for discussions -- to coordinate, support each other emotionally and spiritually, plan to set up a Mass center, etc. and you pick Joe's Coffee House, since Joe is one of your members.

Now 2 months later, someone named Alice from your old Parish shows up at Joe's Coffee House -- not as a friend, but as a "missionary" to try to "bring back the lost sheep".

Since the period of time post-Vatican II is full of confusion, and things that should never happen, you realize that it's not going to help anything to allow Alice to preach about obedience, the normal attitude towards the Pope, etc. -- it might confuse many simple Catholics, and ultimately do harm to souls.

So Joe decides he must kick Alice out of his coffee shop, at least until they get their Mass center set up.

Well, I am Joe, and Caminus is Alice. Vatican II is the new SSPX-Rome Deal. And so forth.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2012, 12:08:11 AM »

MUCHAS GRACIAS MATTHEW!

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2012, 12:12:51 AM »

I think it's the right move. Thanks Matthew.

God Bless.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2012, 12:27:36 AM »

Dear Matthew,

Thank you for temporarily banning him.

He seemed to want to cool down everyone's indignation about the SSPX-Rome Deal.

We need people to have MORE indignation.

We need people to stop coming on CathInfo who are trying to confuse us.

This is a time when traditional Catholicism is at a pivotal stage.

We want to send out a clear picture of the truth to all readers of these threads.

Also, it was particularly disturbing that he found fault with people who were contemplating other forms of

traditional Catholicism.

As though such a thing was a sin, or was tantamount to leaving the Church. It is NEITHER.

We have all left the conciliar "church" and its heresies and betrayals.

We therefore have to move towards wherever we can find true Catholicism.

We should never stay somewhere just out of emotional allegiance.

We need to make keeping the Faith our priority, not keeping in contact with those who are being led astray.

Thank you again, Matthew.

God Bless you, Matthew.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2012, 12:32:33 AM »

Another analogy:

You are holed up in a Cathedral with 300 women and children, with only 10 soldiers helping you keep out a small squad of 50 soldiers trying to break in and slaughter everyone there.

One of the soldiers, thinking he can convince the bad guys to break off their attack, tries to open a window to talk to them.

But you (the captain of the 10 soldiers) have better knowledge of the situation -- for example, that the men attacking the cathedral made an unholy blood oath last night to kill everyone there, etc.

Long story short -- even though this soldier is "of good will" and "acting in good faith"...

WAR IS WAR

So you have him tied up for the remainder of the siege.

You can't have men assisting the enemy -- even with good motives, or because of a mistake. In such cases, you have to arrest them, tie them up, etc. because you can't mess around in war!

brainglitch · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2012, 09:44:38 AM »

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2. The Crisis in the Church is considered a "doubtful" matter, or one that is fraught with confusion. It is NOT crystal clear what a Catholic should do in this unprecedented situation, or EVERYONE would be in the same "camp". It is noted that the Church has had similar crises, such as the Great Schism. In that crisis, good Catholics were found on every side. The same is likely true today. CathInfo's position is that Catholics of good will CAN arrive at different conclusions regarding the Crisis. Aside from a special revelation from God, none of us know who is/isn't "of good will". So the benefit of the doubt should be given to all, except those who violate rule #3.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2012, 09:55:47 AM »

brainglitch, sounds like you are a novus ordo faithful.

brainglitch · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2012, 09:59:52 AM »

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brainglitch, sounds like you are a novus ordo faithful.

I have not attended the Novus Ordo for a long time.

I have attended SSPX or independent priests (non-sedevacantist) exclusively for about 6 years.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2012, 10:29:07 AM »

Ok. Should I stop asking questions about SSPX and sedes and the like? It's your show, Matt, and I am your guest here.

I was starting to wade into the topic of these issues (for the first time) in a new thread I made called "The Catholic World is Divided." Not to be aggravating or preachy, but because I was looking for feedback. I never paid attention to the dialogue in regards to SSPX and sedes until this May. But I quickly learned that folks, on this matter, are in "a siege mentality." I got an ignore, and a few thumbs down on that thread.

I was about to inquire for opinions on an article I just read by E. Michael Jones and the SSPX (the first article of his that I came across), but then, I came to this thread, and it occurs to me that I am not wanting to give the wrong impression, here.

- - - -

Basically, I like coming to Cathinfo because we are Traditional here, and I feel some connection. Many discussions are more substantive than at other places. I like the thumbs up/down system, the ignore feature, and Matt's moderation. I have no agenda.

- L.H.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #9 on:** June 03, 2012, 11:00:01 AM »

Quote from: brainglitch

Quote from: MyrnaM
brainglitch, sounds like you are a novus ordo faithful.

I have not attended the Novus Ordo for a long time.

I have attended SSPX or independent priests (non-sedevacantist) exclusively for about 6 years.

Thank you, perhaps you still have some novus ordo loyalty attachment you don't even realize yourself.

If everyone agrees that the novus ordo is a new religion, what is the confusion really about. We, SSPX, sede or anyone between must stay away from the devils play pin.

Have you spoken to your SSPX priest in charge of your chapels, where he stands on this issue? Go from there.

You may not even have to leave anything, just leave Bishop F and his ilk.

If your priest is loyal to Bishop F, then you do have a decision to make, I will pray for you to keep the faith. I hope that no one must become a home aloner, but maybe till things get organized that might be the solution for a short time, I hope.

KyrieEleison · « **Reply #10 on:** June 03, 2012, 12:21:18 PM »

The more I read your posts Matthew the more I like you!

You have a pretty good head on them shoulders. Keep up the good work you do on this forum.

It's not an easy task but job well done to you.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

That's gonna sound like I'm kissin up but believe I'm not. I've thought it for a while now and couldn't help but say it.

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** June 03, 2012, 04:23:56 PM »

Matthew,

Not that I am complaining or anything, but why haven't you banned me? I think the NO is not only valid but okay if celebrated properly. I think VC II was a real although non-dogmatic council. Although now that I have moved I can attend the Byzantine Liturgy or the TLM exclusively, and do, I would have no problem going to a reverent NO Mass when traveling. I am dramatically at odds with the prevailing opinions here about Jєωs, and have not always been gentle in saying so. It seems to me that this puts me well to the left of Caminus.

I am certainly not asking to be banned. I generally enjoy my interactions with people here. I am just genuinely puzzled.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #12 on:** June 03, 2012, 05:34:06 PM »

I pray that Caminus will be unbanned shortly.

I was banned once for a short time, it is sort of a lonely place to be. I hate it when anyone gets banned, with the exception of someone posting obscene things.

I feel with God's grace we/you will all know what to do, that is if we are willing to accept His Will, and not put our will ahead of His.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #13 on:** June 03, 2012, 06:06:08 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Matthew,

Not that I am complaining or anything, but why haven't you banned me? I think the NO is not only valid but okay if celebrated properly. I think VC II was a real although non-dogmatic council. Although now that I have moved I can attend the Byzantine Liturgy or the TLM exclusively, and do, I would have no problem going to a reverent NO Mass when traveling. I am dramatically at odds with the prevailing opinions here about Jєωs, and have not always been gentle in saying so. It seems to me that this puts me well to the left of Caminus.

I am certainly not asking to be banned. I generally enjoy my interactions with people here. I am just genuinely puzzled.

Probably because you don't have an agenda?

Sigismund · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2012, 08:38:44 PM »

Perhaps. That occurred to me, actually, after I posted the question.