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Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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Calling out veritasaxios
« on: January 07, 2012, 02:15:52 PM »
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  • No, this isn't a "please ban this person" thread. I'm not trying to get him banned, what I'm trying to do is get this person to reveal himself. Veritas, you are a very confusing and mysterious character. On the "Bishop Paul Petko" thread, you claim that you are a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ:

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    I am a former seminarian and classmate of Bishop Petko. We both attended Mary Immaculate Seminary. And, I am also a gαy man.


    So you claim you're gαy, then you say this a few days later:

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    At the same time, however, it helps to remind me that living a life open to God and His will can be very difficult in the secular world in which most of us live and function.


    Oh please. You say you're a gαy man, then you turn around and talk about living a life open to God's Will? You aren't following God's Will if you're gαy, for starters. If you're gαy, then you are no Christian.

    And I find it incredibly bizzare that you come here, start a thread and tell some story about how Bishop Petko told you he is gαy without providing any proof to back up your claim, admit that you yourself are gαy, then start posting about how to follow God's Will. That is very fishy and I'm not buying it. Either you're playing a big joke or simply fooling yourself.

    So, I'm starting this thread asking you to explain yourself. You can't expect to sign up on a forum, post some story and then not reveal anything else about yourself.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 03:23:26 PM »
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  • Yeah, I caught that right away as you can see in the thread about Bp. Petko.  He says "I'm a gαy man" and then has a cross saying "Truth" as his icon?  It doesn't get any more fishy.  Then he says he won't answer any more questions about his credibility -- which has earned him the right to be relentlessly hounded and exposed.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


    Offline veritasaxios

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    « Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 07:11:16 PM »
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  • Good evening SpiritusSanctus and Raoul76,

    Though I understand some of your thoughts and concerns, it is hard to reconcile those with a care for the truth.

    Yes I am gαy.  And, contrary to your beliefs, I also have a relationship with God that I have maintained through my life’s journey.  I use the cross in my avatar as God is the center point of my life.  And, it is in obedience to Him that I speak the truth.

    I find it interesting what you want me to identify myself while it is OK for you to use something other than your real name in this site.

    In my posting I did reveal a bit about myself – though not enough to identify me.

    A clarification, yes I said Bishop Petko told me he was gαy.  But, the main point of my entry was that I know Bishop Petko is, or at least was, gαy due to having sɛҳuąƖ encounters with him on numerous occasions.

    My message was simply a warning to be careful about Bishop Petko.  And, it gives some room for further inquiry.

    It seems to me more important to look at the message – for better or for worse – than to look at the messenger.

    Reading the postings on this site has shown me that there are a large number of folks truly striving to follow God and coming together here in a form of community.

    At the same time, however, my reading has also shown a significant amount of personal attacks back and forth between posters – sometimes to a degree that really makes me wonder about just how Catholic or Christian they are.

    The attacks on me indicate quite a bit about the situation and about the attackers.  The information I presented has upset folks – perhaps because there is a reason to be upset – the reason being that things are not quite as angelic about Bishop Petko as some might believe.  And, perhaps, this “rocking the boat” causes an uncertainty and that rather than deal with the uncertainty, folks attack the messenger.

    I also find it interesting that you say that I have “earned … the right to be relentlessly hounded and exposed.”

    I find nothing Catholic or Christian about that.

    I have said that I claim what I have written as the truth in front of you and in front of God.

    So, there you have it.  You will not believe me – no matter what I say.  I could identify myself and give you every detail of every location and action.  You would still, most likely, dispute what I said.

    It is a no win situation.

    So, feel free to keep questioning my veracity.  I would prefer, however, that you look at Bishop Petko’s veracity.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 07:50:50 PM »
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  • I have witnessed that many men enjoy being simply called gαy, or even living a "gαy" lifestyle, because it is a label that is comfortable and easy to do.  Effeminate behavior is not a difficult thing to sink into.  And in this day and age, it is attractive to many men to play the "smart gαy man."

    There are many men who like to be the "smart gαy man," and never ever have sex with other men.  

    This is a sin, still.  Effemenism is a vice.  And to mirror the lifestyle of a buggerer is a sin.  

    And, of course, it is wrong to proudly boast that you've had sex with men.  It is actually charity that drives Christians to chastise you about it, because there is a desire on their part--as well as God's--for you to repent.  Again, it is a charity to rebuke you.

    When it comes to a gαy man who wants to follow God, it usually works like this.  The man has ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies in his mind all the time.  Yet, he struggles his best to avoid such thoughts and temptations and near-occasions of sin.  Furthermore, he shuns the lifestyle, and strives to achieve a healthier natural state of being.  (For people who have commited sɛҳuąƖ sin, one of the many penalties for that sin is the constant ever-present imagery that you carry with you throughout your life of those sins.)  The fight against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies is typically ever-present thoughout life.  And, of course, you do not have sex with men.  Nor should you fantasize about it.  Nor boast about it.  Nor allow yourself to enjoy it.  Because it is not natural, nor how God designed you or humanity.  

    With that in mind, a man ought not boast about being a gαy man.  Here, such a man will not be recognized as the "smart gαy man."  This is not Frazier.  
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    « Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 08:15:40 PM »
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  • What?  A thumbs down for the previous post?  I thought this was the standard teaching of the Catholic Church?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, rather than hide and criticize.  
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    « Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 08:45:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: veritasaxios
    Yes I am gαy. And, contrary to your beliefs, I also have a relationship with God that I have maintained through my life’s journey. I use the cross in my avatar as God is the center point of my life. And, it is in obedience to Him that I speak the truth.


    Interesting how you didn't respond to what I said about how you can't be gαy and call yourself a Christian. The Bible condemns ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, as does the Catholic Church. You can say you have a relationship with God all you want, but you cannot be gαy and call yourself a Christian.

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    I find it interesting what you want me to identify myself while it is OK for you to use something other than your real name in this site.


    The main point of this thread is for you to explain yourself, not so much to reveal your identity. And I have the right to choose any screen-name that I want.

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    At the same time, however, my reading has also shown a significant amount of personal attacks back and forth between posters – sometimes to a degree that really makes me wonder about just how Catholic or Christian they are.


    You are an absolute hypocrite. You talk about "personal attacks" between the people on this forum, yet you're the one who thumbs down anyone who disagrees with you. Thumb down all of my posts if you want, I don't care. Of course, Matthew has a limit on how many you can give a certain person at once.

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    I find nothing Catholic or Christian about that.


    Like I said, hypocrisy. You don't find anything un-Christian about being a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ? And you call yourself Catholic?

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    So, feel free to keep questioning my veracity. I would prefer, however, that you look at Bishop Petko’s veracity.


    This thread is not about Bishop Petko. I'm asking you to explain yourself, and to explain how you can call yourself a Christian while at the same time being a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 09:07:24 PM »
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  • Who ever is thumbing down, ought to explain themselves.

    SS or Laramie- are you able to recognize if you have a new 'critic' added?

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    « Reply #7 on: January 07, 2012, 09:10:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    Who ever is thumbing down, ought to explain themselves.

    SS or Laramie- are you able to recognize if you have a new 'critic' added?


    Yeah.  Critics +1
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    « Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 09:24:08 PM »
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  • Yeah, I've got a new critic it looks like. It's veritas, obviously.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 07, 2012, 10:13:48 PM »
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  • Veritas,

    You would do your cause here a great deal of good if you could state that you are now faithful to the Church's teaching, whatever your sins in the past may have been.  You should only state this if it is the truth of course.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #10 on: January 08, 2012, 08:23:42 AM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    Veritas,

    You would do your cause here a great deal of good if you could state that you are now faithful to the Church's teaching, whatever your sins in the past may have been.  You should only state this if it is the truth of course.  


    Well said Sigismund.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 08, 2012, 12:35:16 PM »
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  • The real issue here is not whether or not veritas is gαy and is or is not following the Church's teachings on the proper use of the sɛҳuąƖ faculty.

    The real issue here is one of calumny and gossip. Even if what veritas says about the Bishop is true, he has no right, no business, and is indeed bound by the teachings of the Church to not go around telling people about it.

    Veritas, you have sinned in this matter. I suggest you seek out the confessional and do penance for such an egregious offense against a Prince of the Church.
    Multiculturalism exchanges honest ignorance for the illusion of truth.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 08, 2012, 12:53:44 PM »
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  • Well, I'm asking this veritas fellow how he can be gαy yet call himself a Christian. That in turn plays a big role in his credibility.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 08, 2012, 07:22:23 PM »
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  • It seems to me that he has to mean one of two things. Either he is now faithful to the teaching of the Church, and should stop using the word gαy and describe himself as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.  In that case he should probably only be discussing it with his confessor and perhaps a few close friends who will support him in both chastity and orthodoxy. Or, he actually thinks that identifying as gαy and disregarding the teaching of the Church on this issue is okay.  If so, he should stop calling himself a Catholic.  

    Pax's point above is also well-taken, I think.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #14 on: January 08, 2012, 08:27:31 PM »
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  • Funny how veritas won't respond to this thread anymore, he just hides behind his computer thumbing down everyone.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.