Author Topic: Calling out veritasaxios (Read 2444 times)

Sigismund · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2012, 09:22:45 PM »

Veritas,

If I am wrong, please explain how.

Although I disapprove of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity and of a "gαy" lifestyle I don't hate or even dislike gαy people. (By gαy, in this context, I mean someone who embraces a gαy identity and believes that this is morally and theologically okay.) I know a few gαy people socially, and I have a close business associate who is also a friend who is to quote him, "Out and proud'. While I disapprove of this, there are many things about him I admire. For example, he is scrupulously honest in his business affairs. I have trusted him with large sums of money and other professional assets and have never been disappointed in his handling of them. He is a kind person, generous, and possessed of many natural virtues.

Perhaps the thing I admire most about him is that he does not pretend that his life as it is can be reconciled with Catholicism or even Protestantism. Being an honest man, and seeing the inherent contradiction between believing that the Church is the Church and that gαy is okay, he will tell you firmly that he is not a Christian and would never be. He does not expect the Church to change to suit him. He simply says, "The Church is wrong and not what it claims to be" and goes his way.

Few things would make me happier than his conversion, and I pray for it every day. Until then, as convinced as I am of the sinfulness of his actions objectively, I will leave his subjective culpability to God to determine, as He will for all sinners, of whom I am the first. Whatever my friend's subjective culpability it, I am sure it is less because he is honest about his situation and does not compound his sins with hypocritical and sacrilegious communions.

So, Veritas, I bear you no ill will or personal contempt, and wish and hope only for your good. I believe this good will be served, first, by honesty. I hope other goods, such as repentance (and we all need that) will follow.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2012, 09:16:14 AM »

Quote from: pax

The real issue here is not whether or not veritas is gαy and is or is not following the Church's teachings on the proper use of the sɛҳuąƖ faculty.

The real issue here is one of calumny and gossip. Even if what veritas says about the Bishop is true, he has no right, no business, and is indeed bound by the teachings of the Church to not go around telling people about it.

Veritas, you have sinned in this matter. I suggest you seek out the confessional and do penance for such an egregious offense against a Prince of the Church.

I also think his attack on Bishop Petko is calumny and it might even be slander.

The fact that he's identified himself as "gαy" doesn't do much to enhance his credibility either.

sedetrad · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2012, 10:02:10 AM »

In my work, I have met those that identify as "gαy" and still believe that they are "Catholic" or Christian. Some even go to Church with the approval of their pastors. Obviously, the catholic's that behaved this way were in the novus ordo Church or were protestants.

sedetrad · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2012, 10:02:40 AM »

He could be one of the above that I describe.

Sigismund · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2012, 09:43:29 PM »

You are probably right. There are plenty of people who do that. I think this position lacks integrity. I can understand how someone can reject the Catholic faith, although it saddens me when anyone does so, of course. I cannot see how someone can cherry pick Catholic Dogmas, however. "It is okay to be gαy or to practice birth control or whatever as long as I believe the really important teachings, ie the ones I like." If Veritas is a Protestant, well, I am not sure there is much I can say there. Protestantism is all about cherry picking.