ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT EVERYONE IS UPSET WITH BUGNINNI CHANGING THE LITURGY, AS A RESULT THE MOVEMENT OF THE CONGREGATION ALSO CHANGED DURING THE NEW/MASS. SO NOW I COME TO ST. MARY'S AND I FIND OUT THAT FR. ANGLES HAS CHANGED THE WAY THE CONGREGATION SHOULD MOVE DURING THE MASS , TOTALLY GOING AGAINST THE 1962 MISSAL THAT THE PIUS THE X SOCIETY IS SUPPOSEDLY FOLLOWING. TALK ABOUT MANIPULATION OF THE masses. PERHAPS THIS IS GETTING ALL THE SHEEPLE READY FOR INDUCTION INTO THE NEW MASS ONCE WE CONVERGE WITH ROME. IT BOGGLES MY MIND HOW EASILY MANIPULATED THE PEOPLE IN ST. MARY'S ARE. HAVE THEY EVER TRIED THINKING FOR THEMSELVES, LIKE WHY AM I KNEELING AFTER THE SANCTUS, AMAZING ONE MAN, FR. ANGLES CAN CHANGE THE 1962 MISSAL TO FIT HIS AGENDA. BUGNINNI DID THE SAME THING ON A WIDER SCALE.

You need to calm down. You sound very irrational.

Comparing Fr. Angles to Bugnini is absurd.

OBSCURUS,
THEN TELL ME WHY OR HOW FR. ANGLES IS ABLE TO CHANGE POSITIONS SET UP IN THE 1962 MISSAL, KNEELING ,STANDING, SITTING, AT APPROPRIATE TIMES DURING MASS. THESE CHANGES DEAL WITH THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE RITUAL OF THE MASS, THATS WHY BUGNINNI MADE CHANGES, TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS AND THINK ABOUT THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE MASS. A MANIPULATION.THE MISSAL WAS SET UP THE WAY IT WAS FOR A REASON TO HELP US GIVE GLORY IN A MOST EDYFYING WAY TO GOD ALMIGHTY. THE PRIDE OF MAN AS ALWAYS INTERFERES WITH THIS.

Are you just noticing the changes in Postures at Mass now?  You're lucky.  Father Rostandt changed them in Canada when he was here a few years ago.  Slippery slope.

If they are shifting the position on Vatican II there is no principle to stop them from changing their position on the Mass.

Slow boil.

I think what some people forget is that as a rule some of those things are also modified by local custom and usage which can also according to St. Thomas, have the force of law. That is why you will find that as a rule in different countries Trad Catholics even with the Approval of the Archbishop have different practices when it comes to those things.

I don't know what the prior usage or custom of that place was to comment on it. But I think that needs to be kept in mind.

TO Johnnier,
You said , more or less that they can change custom in the different traditional churches. I say hogwash, before FR. Angles got to St. Mary's everyone sat after the priest said dominus vobiscuм after the gospel, until the altarboy rang the bells for the sanctus,immediately everyone would kneel down. thats the way it was before vatican ii also. So now fr. angles decides to change a custom already set up probably from the Bull, Quo Primum---- that is custom and tradition. But the new church and now pius x society think they can change what the positions are in the mass.at their whim. what pride ! what audacity, what corruption. No wonder the pope can put a beachball up on the altar next to the tabernacle in rome and nary a word from pius x society. that is sacrilege and from a pope no doubt. look it up on youtube ! Aleister Crowley wrote a book called the' book of the law' he was a satanist. in this book it says'' DO WHAT THOU WILL SHALL BE THE RULE OF THE LAW" the novus ordo church has followed this precept and now it appears pius x society is following in their footsteps incrementally, slow boil.

TO Johnnier,
You said, more or less, that they can change custom in the different traditional churches. I say hogwash, before FR. Angles got to St. Mary's everyone sat after the priest said dominus vobiscuм after the gospel, until the altar boy rang the bells for the Sanctus, when immediately everyone would kneel down. That's the way it was before vatican ii, also. So now fr. angles decides to change a custom already set up probably from the Bull, Quo Primum---- that is, custom and tradition. But the new church and now pius x society think they can change what the positions are in the Mass, at their whim. What pride ! What audacity, what corruption. No wonder the pope can put a beach ball up on the altar next to the tabernacle in Rome and nary a word from pius x society. That is sacrilege and from a pope no doubt. Look it up on youtube ! Aleister Crowley wrote a book called the 'book of the law' he was a satanist. In this book it says, ''DO WHAT THOU WILL SHALL BE THE RULE OF THE LAW" the novus ordo church has followed this precept and now it appears pius x society is following in their footsteps incrementally, slow boil.

I haven't seen the book by Crowley, but in quotes from it I have
seen they say it has:

"Do What Thou Wilt, is the whole of the Law."

I appreciate you bringing this up.  It really fits.  

The whole theme of ABL's lifetime was "TRADIDI QUOD ET ACCEPI"
so much so that he willed it to be engraved on his tombstone.  

Fortunately, they obeyed his last will and testament.  

It means, "I have handed down that which I have received."  

This is the diametrical opposite of the rule of Crowley, if you notice.

It is the difference between Tradition and chaos.  

When the Mohammedans run a war, they do not need to have any
military commander giving orders, and the soldiers do not take and
follow any orders.  It is a free-for-all.  How could that be successful?
It has been successful because they all have the devil in their heads
telling them what to do and how to do it.  The devil becomes the
commander-in-chief of the Mohammedan army.  Effectively, "Do
what thou wilt" means, "Do what the devil tells you to do, and do it
the WAY the devil tells you to do it."  


The Papal Bull, Quo Primum, is arguably infallible.  By its rule,
Pope Paul VI had no authority to install any Newmass (it was
NOT "promulgated"), and ESPECIALLY overshadow the Canonized
Traditional Latin Mass (CTLM) with this new artificial concoction.

And now, in retrospect, we can see that the 1962 missal of John
XXIII is by association suspect of the same end - the desire to
abrogate (effectively) the CTLM.   Never mind that they come out
and say, "it was never abrogated."  That's just window dressing,
crumbs off the rich man's table.  It's there to help you feel good
about getting snookered.  

The sedevacantists err in their ignoring the dictates of Quo Primum
as well, and by their fundamental error in presuming that the
Newmass must have been promulgated.  When these two things
are properly understood, sedevacantism has no basis.  And that is
why sedes refuse to think about them, because they know that if
they acknowledge their truth and importance, they would have to
abandon their heresy of sedevacantism.  

As for the beach ball on the Traditional altar at St. Mary Major in
Rome, there is a lot more to it than that.  He placed two items
there.  They were symbolic.  

The beach ball is symbolic of frivolity and chaos, and "anything-goes"
mentality, like when someone inflates a beach ball and tosses it
into the air at a baseball game, and it bounces around in the stands
for a while.  They have to actually stop the baseball game while
that is going on, because it distracts the players on the field, who
might not be able to see the real ball when its movement is in
some way parallel to the movement of the beach ball.  

The beach ball is also symbolic of the "beach mass" at WYD in
Rio de Janeiro recently, when immediately after 'mass', everyone
took their clothes off and jumped in the ocean.  Guess what went
on then?  So the beach ball is symbolic of another kind of "ball"
only as a VERB, not a noun.  And that was placed on the altar:  a
perversion, an analogy of adultery and concupiscence and lust.

Also placed on the altar was a WYD T-shirt.  That is not all there is
to that.  It was symbolic of casual dress, which was the rule of
the day at the Beachmess in Rio.  There were so-called
extraordinary eucharistic ministers (which are very mundane now,
so they're the NORM, not "extraordinary") dressed in T-shirts
passing out Communion hosts as if they were cotton candy or
popcorn, or, get this, BEADS AT MARDI GRAS.  

So the T-shirt was symbolic of breaking away from Tradition, and
it was placed not on a Newmass Newaltar, but on The Traditional
Altar at SMM in Rome.  Therefore, by merely setting that T-shirt
on the altar with the MSM cameras rolling, and not saying a word,
the Pope was making a symbolic statement that he is all in favor
off breaking away from Tradition.  

On top of all that, as if it is not yet enough, these two items
are in the same category as anything else that is "handed out"
at World Youth Day events.  What else do they hand out there?
Mardi Gras beads?  Guess again.  Coupons to McDonalds or to
DSW shoes?  Gift cards to Starbucks?  No?  

No. They hand out condoms.  

There are condoms handed out, perhaps not by the actual
organizers of the event but by someone, and it is often people
from so called gαy rights activist groups.  These misguided
people really think that using a condom makes you a responsible
person, and it is an act of virtue or whatever.  Don't forget what
B16 said about a male prostitute moving in the right direction.  

Therefore, by association, Pope Francis made "THINGS THAT
ARE HANDED OUT AT WYD" such as condoms, beach balls and
T-shirts (among other things) into a kind of sacramental.  They
are now objects of worship, like the hosts in the tabernacle.
They are now on an equal level, as it were.  

And don't forget what happened next.  The day after Pope
Francis planted a hot kiss on the cheek of the Brazilian woman
president, she approved the new pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ so-called
marriage law in Brazil.  That is the bad fruit of the Pope's visit
to Brazil -- the approval of same-sex sodomy and abomination.



Matt. xxiv. 15-20:
When you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place:  he
that readeth let him understand.  Then they that are in Judea
let them flee to the mountains.  And he that is on the housetop,
let him not come down to take anything out of his house.  And
he that is in the field, let him not go back to take his coat.  And
woe to them that are with child and who give suck in those days.
But pray that your flight be not in winter, or on the sabbath.

No wonder the pope can put a beachball up on the altar next to the tabernacle in rome and nary a word from pius x society. that is sacrilege and from a pope no doubt.

If the Society said nothing, that's disgraceful--to say the least.  Our priest, however, thankfully, did.  It goes without saying that even if faithful Society priests are persecuted by their own, their reward will be great in heaven.