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Offline 2Vermont

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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2014, 03:40:02 PM »
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  • So here is the full section on Suicide in the New Catechism:

    Suicide

    2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.

    2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

    2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.

    Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

    2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.


    Would you say that this description leads one to believe that it is a mortal sin still?
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #31 on: November 04, 2014, 04:02:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
    So here is the full section on Suicide in the New Catechism:

    2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.



    The public nature of this rancid soul's departure makes it a clear mortal sin.  

    Barring some extraordinary intervention from Heaven, we can all shudder at the destination of this particular soul.  Tragically, her public example will lead at least some others to follow suit.  


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    « Reply #32 on: November 04, 2014, 04:10:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Quote from: 2Vermont
    So here is the full section on Suicide in the New Catechism:

    2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.



    The public nature of this rancid soul's departure makes it a clear mortal sin.  

    Barring some extraordinary intervention from Heaven, we can all shudder at the destination of this particular soul.  Tragically, her public example will lead at least some others to follow suit.  


    I was referring to whether the new catechism's teaching makes it clear that suicide is a mortal sin (not for this particular soul).  In my mind, the wording is not clear at all.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #33 on: November 04, 2014, 04:37:40 PM »
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  • Does this mean that if a man is dying miserably from a war wound
    in the field and is shreiking for you to mercy kill him (no chance
    of survival, only pain), that you commit murder and he commits
    suicide for telling you to kill him ?
    I wonder if Jesus wouldn't look too heavily upon all the theological
    talking points and perhaps won't be so "automatic" to condemn
    her to eternal hellfire.. you know, it wouldn't surprise me if she
    makes Purgatory, with some extra suffering.

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    « Reply #34 on: November 04, 2014, 06:08:56 PM »
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    Does this mean that if a man is dying miserably from a war wound
    in the field and is shreiking for you to mercy kill him (no chance
    of survival, only pain), that you commit murder and he commits
    suicide for telling you to kill him ?
    I wonder if Jesus wouldn't look too heavily upon all the theological
    talking points and perhaps won't be so "automatic" to condemn
    her to eternal hellfire.. you know, it wouldn't surprise me if she
    makes Purgatory, with some extra suffering.


    Not a snowball's chance in hell.   :roll-laugh2:

    Sorry couldn't resist.  
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    « Reply #35 on: November 04, 2014, 08:58:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
    So here is the full section on Suicide in the New Catechism:

    Suicide

    2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.


    Would you say that this description leads one to believe that it is a mortal sin still?


    2VT, love your posts but should that be on a Catholic forum?

    So from the deposit of Faith (several Councils and Holy Scripture), we can't eat or pray with Jews, heretics, apostates, and others of the "condemned" variety who openly reject God; and the Council of Laodicea said we can't go to non-Catholic burial places to pray with or for the non-Catholics ...but we can pray for them if they condemn themselves eternally by committing suicide?

     :confused1:

    Would one pray that "the master of my fate and captain of my soul" suicide might jump up a Dante level and be in a better part of Hell? Level up, like in a video game?

    Snowball, your scenario sort of actually happened in Holy Writ. King Saul fell on his sword after the guy with him refused to run him through; and also when Job suffered grievously for far longer with far less support, but fought the good fight and was eventually made whole and then some. God smiled upon Job, but not Saul. Suicide is condemned. And so is murder. Always has been; always will be. The Faithful don't write the rules; we bow our heads and pray for the strength to abide by them, and help prop each other up, and pray to our Advocate along with the Saints if we're in communion of Saints (ie, the Church).

    And 2V took my joke  :laugh1:
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

    +JMJ

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    « Reply #36 on: November 04, 2014, 10:04:19 PM »
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  • Does brain cancer make you gain weight?

    She looks slim in the pictures but heavier in the video.

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    « Reply #37 on: November 05, 2014, 12:44:20 AM »
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  • Why the downthumb? It was an honest question, I did not intend to make fun or anything like that.


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    « Reply #38 on: November 05, 2014, 01:24:01 AM »
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  • One of our pp told a sermon once about a story he had heard about a woman sitting in the back of a church and crying.  The parish priest of this church went to her and said 'Don't worry, your husband repented before he hit the water and he was saved'.  Turned out her husband had committed suicide by jumping in the river and that was why she was crying bitterly.  I read this story somewhere myself and I think it was some famous cleric like Cur of Ars but I am not sure.

    You just never know

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    « Reply #39 on: November 05, 2014, 06:59:16 AM »
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    Does brain cancer make you gain weight?

    She looks slim in the pictures but heavier in the video.


    Her younger photos looked professionally touched up, the ones I saw show her in a wedding gown.

    When she became ill, it is likely that she turned to the comforts of food.

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    « Reply #40 on: November 05, 2014, 04:47:04 PM »
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  • She gained weight due to medications.


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    « Reply #41 on: November 07, 2014, 04:11:02 AM »
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  • This is obviously a united effort of the news media moguls to promote assisted suicide across the nation.

    There are already 5 states that allow it, and there already have been over 700 people who have already done what Maynard did - so why the sudden focus on this woman?  

    Obviously, they want to get the ball rolling for as many states as possible to get the legislation through. They are just pretty much prepping the nation for what they have already determined to get established everywhere.

    I think some people overlook something in regard to mortal sin. Yes, suicide is a mortal sin, meaning that it is grave matter. But someone doesn't go to hell for merely committing suicide....someone goes to hell for being guilty of committing it. Guilt is not determined merely on the act of grave matter, but also on full knowledge and consent. Sometimes people have an erroneous conscience.

    This lady didn't look like she was in a good state to begin with. I got the impression she treated life as if she were just an animal seeking pleasures and experiences. To be in such a state of mind is actually the worst thing, and her mercy killing is merely a cherry on top....indicative of the way she already lived.

     

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