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Offline Judith 15 Ten

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Bring Back Multiple Wives?
« on: February 20, 2019, 03:25:23 PM »
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  • I'd like to see the Catholic Church bring back multiple wives as an option for men who seek marriage like back in Abraham's and the early Hebrews' days. Righteous Abraham, King David and King Solomon had multiple wives. 

    We know in Matthew 16:16-19, Jesus Christ gave Peter the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to bind and loosen on earth, and the same will be bound and loosened in Heaven. This doesn't only mean retaining and forgiving sins, and rendering and lifting the temporal punishment tied to the sin. It, also, means "by making rules and laws for the government of the Church" as stated in the commentary of Haydock Catholic Bible apropos to the aforementioned scripture. It seems the number of wives allowed for a husband by the Church is a disciplinary law, which can change by what is deemed by the Successor of Peter, but Divine Law can never change (truth can't change - God can't change), and such Divine Law is for the man to remain faithful to his wife or wives and not commit adultery and fornication with women outside of his marriage(s), along with the other moral duties of the husband towards his wife or wives.

    I think multiple wives is one of the solutions to, and hedges against, feminism and a contentious wife. Women naturally compete with each other to please the central figure in their lives, which in this case would be their husband, thereby, receiving the affection & security they desire from him. If other wives are in this same husband's life, she will not disgruntle him over trivial matters or for selfish reasons (which is all too common in marriages in this post-modern world), because his favor & affection will shift towards the other wives, although he must still love and support the wife with whom he has retracted much of his favor. Also, in a group setting with other women, these same women will usually check their inner resentments, objections, and dislikes for the other women in order to get along as a cohesive group, because they know their very survival depends on it. This is an intuitive defense mechanism of normal, healthy women in any group setting containing a plurality of women.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #1 on: February 20, 2019, 03:41:56 PM »
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  • No way, no how.


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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 03:45:07 PM »
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  • See, you've been listening to Pastor Dowell (the Hebrew Israelite "pastor") too long. You're starting to lose your Catholic sense.

    You're taking matters into your own hands. First, you want to part ways with the historical praxis of the Church re: homosexuals. You want to go "old testament" on them and have them all executed. Now you want to push another novelty that tickles your fancy: multiple wives. What do you know, this also comes from the Old Testament! 

    Pastor Dowell agrees with you 100% on both these points. Coincidence? I think not.

    Sure, you can come up with reasons, even good sounding excuses, for both of these ideas. But so could Martin Luther. He had plenty of "justifications" at least on paper for what he did. 

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 03:48:55 PM »
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  • It’s getting a little weird in here.  :furtive:
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 03:55:28 PM »
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  • Now I see how heresiarchs got started. They identify a real problem, come up with a solution that makes a lot of sense, but unfortunately goes against the Church.

    Eventually they leave the Church and start their own religion -- and the heresiarch manages to convince many to join him as followers, due to the rational arguments for his heresy (see the OP for an example).

    If I had time, I could start 100 threads right now mocking this one, using actual heresies (sola scriptura, justification by faith alone, etc.) and giving all the rational arguments for each.

    Sorry, bub. I'm not going to start my own religion or follow yours. I'm going to stay a Catholic, thanks. In the Catholic Church alone is the path to eternal life. There is no other way to please God.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #5 on: February 20, 2019, 04:42:44 PM »
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  • First, the Puritans and now Muhammad. Alright then.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #6 on: February 20, 2019, 04:44:45 PM »
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  • See, you've been listening to Pastor Dowell (the Hebrew Israelite "pastor") too long. You're starting to lose your Catholic sense.

    Just curious, Matthew, why do you let Croix/Quid keep signing back up after having been banned?  This is the second time I know of that he's created a new account after you banned him.

    [Edited to Add] :  you're very quick with the downthumb, Croix.  You've been downthumbing every single post of mine for months now, under one identity or another.

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #7 on: February 20, 2019, 04:50:56 PM »
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  • I'd like to see the Catholic Church bring back multiple wives as an option ...

    Yes, we know you'd like to see this, given your background as a womanizer.  Yet it's ironic that a misogynist would want to have MANY women.  But I suppose that situation would allow him to use and abuse them at will.

    In any case, one need not read the rest of your post after this opening line.  Abraham's situation was a DIVINE concession.  In the New Testament, one husband joined with one wife has become Divine Law since the time that Our Lord elevated the natural relations between man and woman to the state of a Sacrament.  So this is now the Divine Law.  And the Church has no power to "bind and loose" Divine Law.

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #8 on: February 20, 2019, 04:51:05 PM »
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  • Now I see how heresiarchs got started. They identify a real problem, come up with a solution that makes a lot of sense, but unfortunately goes against the Church.

    Eventually they leave the Church and start their own religion -- and the heresiarch manages to convince many to join him as followers, due to the rational arguments for his heresy (see the OP for an example).

    If I had time, I could start 100 threads right now mocking this one, using actual heresies (sola scriptura, justification by faith alone, etc.) and giving all the rational arguments for each.

    Sorry, bub. I'm not going to start my own religion or follow yours. I'm going to stay a Catholic, thanks. In the Catholic Church alone is the path to eternal life. There is no other way to please God.

    I was just saying if the Catholic Church allowed multiple wives like God did in the Old Testament days for the early Hebrews, it would be a good thing, and obviously not heresy because the Catholic Church would have decreed it. I personally would like to see it, but I'm not going to start a polygamy cult because the Church hasn't done it. I'll stay Catholic and abide by whatever she teaches and the laws she puts forth.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #9 on: February 20, 2019, 05:00:12 PM »
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  • Actually this does remind me of a question I had:

    Why was polygamy allowed in Old Testament times? It wasn't only Abraham who had multiple wives, not by a long shot. 

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #10 on: February 20, 2019, 05:04:41 PM »
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  • Actually this does remind me of a question I had:

    Why was polygamy allowed in Old Testament times? It wasn't only Abraham who had multiple wives, not by a long shot.

    Our Lord Himself answered that question.  [same answer as for why God allowed divorce]


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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #11 on: February 20, 2019, 05:08:38 PM »
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  • Neither divorce nor polygamy are strictly against natural law, and God did not will to impose Divine Law over and above this due to the "hardness of [their] hearts".  But in the New Testament, God established His divine law and elevated marriage to the state of a Sacrament.

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #12 on: February 20, 2019, 05:45:27 PM »
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    You're starting to lose your Catholic sense.
    Did he ever have any? 


    Just curious, Matthew, why do you let Croix/Quid keep signing back up after having been banned?
    I was wondering that as well.


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    Why was polygamy allowed in Old Testament times? It wasn't only Abraham who had multiple wives, not by a long shot. 
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    Our Lord Himself answered that question.
    "by reason of the hardness of your heart" - Matthew 19:8


    Yes, we know you'd like to see this, given your background as a womanizer.  Yet it's ironic that a misogynist would want to have MANY women.  
    Then, if they all divorced him (as he fears), he'd really have to pay a lot of alimony!     ;D

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #13 on: February 20, 2019, 05:50:42 PM »
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  • I posted that Muhammad had come to the forum because Croix/Quid's views on women are not Catholic, they're more Islamic than anything.

    Muslim men have carte blanche from their "prophet" to have multiple wives and be completely wretched to them -- that's what Muhammad did.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #14 on: February 20, 2019, 05:56:35 PM »
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  •   This is a joke, right?  Most men can't get along with one!:fryingpan:

     

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