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Offline ProtectorofOrder

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Bring back the templars?
« on: May 31, 2014, 04:56:21 AM »
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  • In times like this in certain countries we need the templars more than ever now. In third world countries and sometimes in the middle east Christians face violence or are persecuted.

    Should the templars should be revived as a some kind of self-defense paramilitary organization to protect Christians against violence in today's world?


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    « Reply #1 on: May 31, 2014, 05:10:46 AM »
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  • I have been thinking these thoughts lately.  I am going to read up on the subject.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Bring back the templars?
    « Reply #2 on: May 31, 2014, 07:58:39 AM »
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  • Were it possible through a very wealthy benefactor, this would be a wonderful idea, although when they went to protect Christians from the ancient enemy they would soon be facing the NATO/EU terrorists.

    A Crusade to once again, liberate the Holy places sounds grand.

    Offline glaston

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    « Reply #3 on: May 31, 2014, 02:40:49 PM »
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  • This is all over the internet

    Temp-lars > Horus > Time > Rothschilds > Satanics

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    THE DARK HISTORY OF THE TEMPLARS

    Historians describe Urban II as a good orator. He intended to incite the Christians against Muslim Turks and Arabs, and succeeded by alleging that the Muslim were assaulting pilgrims and that Christianity's sacred places were being desecrated.1 Of course, none of this was true.

    As historians have confirmed, the Muslims were very tolerant towards Christians and Jєωs, whom they permitted to pray and worship. All minorities co-existing in the Holy Land benefited equally from this atmosphere of tranquility, created by the moral code of Islam. But because means of communication at the time were terribly primitive compared to today's, medieval Europeans weren't aware of this. Owing allegiance to the Vatican in Rome and conducting services in Latin, they knew little about the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Greek-speaking Byzantium, and even less about Islam.

    As Donald Queller of the University of Illinois put it,

        "the French knights wanted more land. Italian merchants hoped to expand trade in Middle Eastern ports. . . Large numbers of poor people joined the expeditions simply to escape the hardships of their normal lives."2

    On the way, greedy hordes murdered countless Muslims and Jєωs in the hope of finding gold and Jєωels. Among crusaders, it was common practice to disembowel their victims in the hopes that they might have swallowed their gold and Jєωels to hide them. In the Fourth Crusade, their avarice reached the point where they looted Christian Constantinople, scratching gold leaf off the frescos in the Cathedral of Hagia Sophia.

    After ransacking and setting fire to many settlements and putting countless Muslims to the sword, eventually the crusaders reached Jerusalem in 1099. After a siege of approximately five weeks, the city fell. When the victors finally entered Jerusalem, according to one historian, "They killed all the Saracens and the Turks they found... whether male of female."5

    Crusaders slaughtered everyone they met and looted everything they could get their hands on. They murdered indiscriminately those who had taken refuge in the mosques, whether young or old, and devastated the Muslim and Jєωιѕн holy sites and places of worship setting the city's ѕуηαgσgυєs aflame, burning alive Jєωs who had hidden inside. This slaughter continued until no longer could they find anyone to kill


    MOOR here


    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/templars/knights_templars01.htm

    Offline TheKnightVigilant

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    « Reply #4 on: May 31, 2014, 06:25:33 PM »
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  • That's sheer nonsense.

    The Crusades were launched directly in response to the aggression of the Muslim Seljuk Turks towards Christians in the Holy Land, Armenia and Anatolia. In fact, it was the Byzantine emperor Alexios I himself, under pressure from the Islamic hordes, who requested help from the Pope and the Knights of the west.

    As for the myth that the Crusades were motivated by avarice, that can easily be demonstrated to be false. Many Crusaders sold everything they owned in order to fund their journey to the Holy Land, and many expected to never return to Europe. Further, in the initial stages of the expedition, all conquered lands were promised to Alexios I. That agreement was only rescinded after Alexios turned his back on the Crusader army.

    The Crusaders were not indiscriminate murderers. Were there lawless bandits and plunderers who joined with the Crusading armies? Of course. It was a massive movement involving tens of thousands of people, that's an inevitability. The fact is, though, that the general conduct of the Crusading armies was honourable, certainly by comparison to their Muslim opponents. What's more, Crusader governance in conquered lands was much superior to Muslim governance - Crusader law actually recognized the rights of citizens and entitled subjects to proper judicial process, for a start, in total contradiction to the arbitrary and tyrannical rule customary in the Muslim east. Some Muslims actually believed that even Muslims themselves lived better lives under Crusader rule, e.g. Ibn Jubayr.

    In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 31, 2014, 07:10:55 PM »
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  • Knight,
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    That's sheer nonsense.


    It most certainly is. The centuries old Black Legends have never ceased to deny the Truth. The lies of ancient Babylon whispered into modern man's itching ears.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 31, 2014, 11:19:00 PM »
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  • Nah, this doesn't look Catholic at all. The Crusades were filled of jerks that stole stuff.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #7 on: June 01, 2014, 12:25:40 AM »
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  • Quote from: ProtectorofOrder
    In times like this in certain countries we need the templars more than ever now. In third world countries and sometimes in the middle east Christians face violence or are persecuted.

    Should the templars should be revived as a some kind of self-defense paramilitary organization to protect Christians against violence in today's world?

    Indeed, they should!  But as ever the key to Christianity must be gratitude.  Therefore what exactly can we mean by "revived"?  In Third World countries, especially in the Middle East and also very much in Europe the Catholics have never for a moment ceased to have "some kind of self-defense paramilitary organization to protect Christians against violence in today's world."  Wherever could the supremely peculiar notion we have not done so come from?  

    In the Middle East we have, for example, those most active defenders of Christians the Lebanese, Syrian, Egyptian and Iranian Armies.  Not such a modest set of allies, no?  In Europe among the defenders of Christians we have the superb example of the Russian Army.  Our glorious Spetsnaz must come to mind!  And if our contemporary Joan of Arc, namely Madame Le Pen, should become the President of the French Republic, well, then after all the French Foreign Legion is no slacker either.  N'est-ce pas?

    But to gain more focused and purer examples we can thank the good Bishop Sigaud for enlightening us:

     "A certain central Government directs the whole process, with energy and great intelligence: this is a human dynamo which is an instrument of Satan himself.

    What used to be called 'politics of the right' such as Fascism and National Socialism, were in fact to combat movements against the Church of Christ."  

    (Letter of Bishop Sigaud to Cardinal Tardini, written August 22, 1959)

    Clearly the central government to which Bishop Sigaud referred was the American government.  And if the American government were the "instrument of Satan" in 1959, then how much more evil that government must be in our own day!  And if Fascism and National Socialism were the main instruments of Holy Mother Church against the Enemies of God in the last century, then how much more heroic and pure of soul their heirs must be in our own 21st Century.  At least such would be the martyr's words of Catholic courage and valor among the true heirs of the Templars at present.

    Hence we can only carry on the heritage of our Templar ancestors if we find the courage and fearless gratitude to honor our Catholic forefathers and praise the splendid inheritance they have so magnanimously left to us.  A true Christian warrior must be personally humble and not presume to be too good for the generous favors of the Triune God.  We are not too good for our various allied armies, nor are we too good to be grateful for God's mercy in providing us with Madame Le Pen.  Nor for His mercy in providing for our protection the incomparably ruthless Vladimir Putin, grandson of the innermost intimates of the late unlamented Joseph Stalin.

    We Catholic men already have a Knighthood.  So to speak, we are already the hereditary Kraken, the Holy Terrors of this fallen world.  If we but have the loyalty and discipline to be Catholic Knights, then Our Lord of Battles is more than ready for us.

    In any case if all we can do is carp against our existing temporal allies and Catholic leaders, then Our Lord will deem us nothing more than vain braggarts worthless for the defense of the Christian People of God.  But if we are sincere men, then the Good God will hear us and when we open our eyes we shall see even now a Golden Dawn rising in the East...  


    @J.Paul:  The Anti-Israhell Resistance in the Middle East is the on-going Crusade to liberate the Holy Land from the Enemies of God.  The inner leadership of this Resistance is already Roman Catholic.  We are the heart of the Resistance Against Israhell to Liberate the Holy Places!  In Syria, in Lebanon, in Egypt, in Russia and so forth the Roman Catholics are leading the Crusade Against the Satanic Heart of Darkness in Jerusalem.  And we are not going to be facing the NATO/EU terrorists.  We are facing them now, in Syria, in Egypt, in Venezuela, in Mexico, in the Ukraine.

    In the Holy Land!!

    A world-wide Catholic Crusade is already happening now.  Time for some serious Roman Catholic military study and training.  Now.

     


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    « Reply #8 on: June 01, 2014, 05:46:47 AM »
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    That's sheer nonsense.

    The Crusades were launched directly in response to the aggression of the Muslim Seljuk Turks towards Christians in the Holy Land, Armenia and Anatolia. In fact, it was the Byzantine emperor Alexios I himself, under pressure from the Islamic hordes, who requested help from the Pope and the Knights of the west.

    As for the myth that the Crusades were motivated by avarice, that can easily be demonstrated to be false. Many Crusaders sold everything they owned in order to fund their journey to the Holy Land, and many expected to never return to Europe. Further, in the initial stages of the expedition, all conquered lands were promised to Alexios I. That agreement was only rescinded after Alexios turned his back on the Crusader army.

    The Crusaders were not indiscriminate murderers. Were there lawless bandits and plunderers who joined with the Crusading armies? Of course. It was a massive movement involving tens of thousands of people, that's an inevitability. The fact is, though, that the general conduct of the Crusading armies was honourable, certainly by comparison to their Muslim opponents. What's more, Crusader governance in conquered lands was much superior to Muslim governance - Crusader law actually recognized the rights of citizens and entitled subjects to proper judicial process, for a start, in total contradiction to the arbitrary and tyrannical rule customary in the Muslim east. Some Muslims actually believed that even Muslims themselves lived better lives under Crusader rule, e.g. Ibn Jubayr.

    In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about.


    Where are all your references - refuting what I pointed out with no evidence is normal internet site bollox

    Starting off with the masonic EE (sheer) word is very teLLing too!

    Well written site with all BOOK REFERENCES listed
    http://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Crusades.html

    Hints at exactly the same thing.

    Templars went off the rails with land donated, booty/land captured/stolen on crusades, money from pilgrimage lending due to early banking concept they got off Arabic frats on crusade.
    They also picked up Astronomy and Algebra.

    Muslim Shamans/mystics smoke dope, then conjure up their devils by chanting algebra!

    First Got_hic cathedral built by Abbot Sugar 50 odd years after they got hold of the new math knowledge.

    The frats got so rich & powerful they became a threat to European Royalty - they got themselves taken out in France and had to escape (with their booty/earthly riches intact) in ships to Scotland and the obligatory masonic 'TWIN' - Nova Scotia
    (in UK, Every town/City is 'twinned' with some other place in Europe)

    And it goes on.
    Dutch and East India companies under the Heraldic dragons of City of London (Jєωs are now in the picture) - sun never sets on the satanic usury slave empire they control.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 06:10:03 AM »
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  • The revival of the Knights Templar under the direction of the Conciliar sect would be a disaster.

    They would, out of ecuмenical necessity, worship along side the Muslims and would be a great force for evil.  They might, in the beginning, protect the physical well-being of some Christians in Muslim countries, but they would quickly degenerate and help persecute any self-professed Christians who did not bow down before the ecuмenical god.

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    « Reply #11 on: June 04, 2014, 12:33:39 PM »
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    I always wondered if a developing  country would give permission to set up something like the French Foreign Legion  to protect Christians from Muslim attacks. A military sponsored by a government would make it a legitimate fighting force.   I like the idea that  Catholics from around the world could join up.

     Africa seems like the only country it would be possible but  Africa is very unstable and very corrupt.  Africans might also view it as a form of neocolonialism. Men that would be willing to finance such a military probably would not see it as worth the risk.

     Perhaps it could be set up offshore on an island and then mobilized when Catholics needed them. But it would take people with a lot military experience and   billions of dollars.

    Missionary work and building new churches is still probably the best use of our money.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 04, 2014, 01:39:17 PM »
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  • It would be good to see a military religious order, that took the military part seriously established again.

    But enough with this Templars business.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-