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Offline JustaServant

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Books on the changes of Vatican 2.
« on: March 08, 2012, 08:27:11 AM »
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    • I haven't posted on this forum in almost four years. My views since then regarding the SSPX and Vatican 2 have changed since then.

    This week I recieved Michael Davies' Pope Paul's New Mass and have almost finished with it. My question is this:
    Does anyone know of any other books by Davies or other authors that give a detailed, scholarly review of the changes in the Church and the Mass?
    Thank you.
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    Offline s2srea

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    « Reply #1 on: March 08, 2012, 08:33:39 AM »
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    • I believe this is probably one of the most thorough books on the effects of VII:

    Iota Unum

    From the comments, there is this quote from ABL on the book:

    "Archbishop Lefebvre had this to say of Iota Unum: "A book has just appeared, Iota Unum, written by Professor Romano Amerio, who lives in the north of Italy. In my opinion, it is the most perfect book that has been written since the Council on the Council, its consequences, and everything that has been happening in the Church since. He examines every subject with a truly remarkable perfection. I was stupefied to see with what serenity he discusses everything, without the passion of polemics, but with untouchable arguments. I do not see how the current attitudes of Rome can still persist after the appearance of such a book. They are radically, definitively condemned, and with such precision, for he only uses their own texts, citations from Osservatore Romano. The whole is absolutely magnificent.

    "One could base an entire course on this book, on the pre-Council, the Council, and post-Council. I assure you that not much is left standing. The Popes take a licking; he is not at all soft on the Popes, but he recounts their deeds, their words, everything. They stand condemned. In his epilogue he shows how the consequence is the dissolution of the Catholic religion. Nothing is left. But he says that since the Church is not going to perish ... there must be a remnant; after all, the good God said that the Church will not perish, therefore there must be a witness or the witness of a remnant that will keep the faith and tradition."

    "You must read. You must nourish your souls. You must enlighten your spirit. You must enkindle your hearts, your charity. You must inform yourselves! There is a .. book, a very thick book, which was published relatively recently [in English]. It would not be for everybody - Iota Unum. It is not an easy book, but it is a very informative book. Excellent! Archbishop Lefebvre wished ... that it would be the book every seminarian had in his hands" - Fr. Franz Schmidberger
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    Offline Oremus

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    « Reply #2 on: March 08, 2012, 08:46:35 AM »
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    • I just started reading Cranmer's Godly Order by Davies and it has been very informative so far. I highly recommend it.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 08, 2012, 10:59:05 AM »
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    • In addition to reading about the changes wrought by Vatican 2, read about liturgical practice in the Gregorian period up to Trent.  There were a number of excellent studies published in the late 1800s and early 1900s, as part of the renewal envisioned by St. Pius X and the work of Dom Gueranger at Solesmes.  

    This will help you to see the fallacy behind the claims of modernizers that all these changes "bring us back" to some earlier forms of the sacraments.  It is all false- the earlier masses were longer, more elaborate, and highly ritualized.  The spiritual  practices of many Christians were more rigourous than what many clergy undergo today.  

    Some of these works are now avaiable on line. For instance, the Gelasian Sacramentary: http://www.archive.org/stream/gelasiansacrame00gelagoog/gelasiansacrame00gelagoog_djvu.txt

    If you look at the Sacramentary, you will see that it does not describe services that look like the N.O.
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    « Reply #4 on: March 08, 2012, 12:21:50 PM »
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    • Thanks for the replys so far. A few of the books I can get on Amazon (I'm cheap, sue me. :laugh1:). I know I read the last Davies book instead of the first. I plan on getting Cramner's Godly Order in the future. Having spent time across the Tiber I'm familiar with Protestant Communion services, not so much with Anglican.
    I think Davies gives very strong historical and Biblical evidence for the TLM over the Novus Ordo.
    I only wish there was a TLM less than an hour from where I live.
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    « Reply #5 on: March 08, 2012, 12:55:30 PM »
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    • I know it can be difficult attending the Tridentine mass, JS. But, by the grace of God, it sounds like you will find a way. Continue to pray, do sacrifice, and ask our blessed Mother that she help you find a way to It.
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    « Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 02:34:36 PM »
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    • Free, on-line Fr. Wathen's The Great Sacrilege Published in 1971 when the revolution was springtime fresh! Well written and thorough explanations - well worth the read, especially for those who knew something was wrong - they just couldn't place their finger on it.

    Hard to believe it was written +30 years ago.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 08, 2012, 08:31:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: JustaServant
    Does anyone know of any other books by Davies or other authors that give a detailed, scholarly review of the changes in the Church and the Mass?
    Thank you.


    The Davies Liturgical Revolution Series
    (This is an excellent set to have; you might donate the PPVI copy you've already read to a friend/family member?)
    http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/8446/set-the-davies-liturgical-revolution-series

    Liturgical Time Bombs
    (Another Davies gem!)
    http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/7099/liturgical-time-bombs

    Religious Liberty Questioned (The Dubia)
    (by Archbishop Marcel Lefebrve; Classic!)
    http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/7060/religious-liberty-questioned-the-dubia

    I Accuse The Council
    (again, by the Archbishop; Priceless!)
    http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/3072/i-accuse-the-council

    Liturgical Movement
    (Fr. Didier Bonneterre; On the sources of VII; Superb!)
    http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/7071/liturgical-movement
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