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Offline poche

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Re: Books for Protties
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2017, 01:37:22 AM »
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    Can you find the infallibility of the Pope in the Bible?
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    Where is the doctrine of the bodily Assumption of Our Blessed Mother in Scripture?
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    Where in the Bible does it say that Our Lady is "the Mother of God?"
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    If you're going to argue that the Bible doesn't have to literally say something, then where does the Bible say that? Because for a Protestant you'll have to provide a Scripture chapter and verse for every principle you claim.
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    One thing also. You need to understand the Jєωs to understand this. When we say "Jesus is Lord." We are also saying "Jesus is God." because the Jєωs did not use the name "God" when they talked about Him. They used the word "Lord." Therefore when we say "Jesus is Lord." we are also saying Mary is the Mother of God. 


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    Re: Books for Protties
    « Reply #31 on: November 18, 2017, 07:40:03 AM »
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  • I have a friend who used to be Protestant who became Catholic from reading the Bible.  So it can happen.

    I was Protestant for a few years before becoming Catholic.  I think God prepared me to receive the truth because I had already realized that Sola Scriptura did not make sense before I started considering becoming Catholic.

    If the Bible alone could be a guide to faith, then all the people who believe in Sola Scriptura would agree on everything.  They obviously do not. 

    There is even a Bible verse that shows that verbal traditions are equal to Scripture:

    2 Thessalonians 2:15King James Version (KJV)

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    15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. 



    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Books for Protties
    « Reply #32 on: November 18, 2017, 12:22:37 PM »
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  • Matthew 16:18
    18 So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the Hell shall never overpower it.
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    And that says nothing about the Pope being infallible. It says "Peter" -- do you know how many popes there have been? Some claimants were anti-popes. Are anti-popes scriptural? If not, then how can we be sure they were really anti-popes? 
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    Re: Books for Protties
    « Reply #33 on: November 18, 2017, 12:47:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat on November 16, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
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    Can you find the infallibility of the Pope in the Bible?
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    Where is the doctrine of the bodily Assumption of Our Blessed Mother in Scripture?
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    Where in the Bible does it say that Our Lady is "the Mother of God?" 

    If you're going to argue that the Bible doesn't have to literally say something, then where does the Bible say that? Because for a Protestant you'll have to provide a Scripture chapter and verse for every principle you claim.
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    Luke 1:30-35
    30 but the angel said to her, 'Mary, do not be afraid; you have won God's favour.
    31 Look! You are to conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus.
    32 He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David;
    33 he will rule over the House of Jacob for ever and his reign will have no end.'
    34 Mary said to the angel, 'But how can this come about, since I have no knowledge of man?'
    35 The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you with its shadow. And so the child will be holy and will be called Son of God.
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    You must be referring to this question:
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    Where in the Bible does it say that Our Lady is "the Mother of God?" 
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    A)  You're using a Protestant Bible. Don't you know this is a Catholic forum?
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    B)  This passage does not contain the words, "Mother of God." 
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    C)  The fact that those words are missing was the cause of the controversy that lasted hundreds of years.
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    D)  There were practically WARS fought over this phrase because it is not found in the Bible.
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    E)  So you've failed on that one, what about the other two?
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    Can you find the infallibility of the Pope in the Bible?
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    Where is the doctrine of the bodily Assumption of Our Blessed Mother in Scripture?
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    Re: Books for Protties
    « Reply #34 on: November 18, 2017, 12:50:24 PM »
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  • Luke 1:48
    from now onwards all generations will call me blessed,
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    And the point is .............. what? 
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    We call all the Saints "blessed" ---- therefore, what, they're all assumed into heaven then?
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    You're not making any sense.
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    Re: Books for Protties
    « Reply #35 on: November 18, 2017, 12:55:42 PM »
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  • If John saw her then how did she get up there if she were not assumed body and soul?
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    Did St. John say he saw her? I didn't see him saying that in the quoted Scripture. There has been that INTERPRETATION, but it's not literally there. 
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    For Catholics to say that something is found in the Bible to prove it's true they have to find it literally there or else non-Catholics could equally claim they can find all manner of things in the Bible that they just make up, because it's all based on INTERPRETATION.

    Maybe this is too abstract for you.
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    Re: Books for Protties
    « Reply #36 on: November 18, 2017, 01:24:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat on November 16, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
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    Can you find the infallibility of the Pope in the Bible?
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    Where is the doctrine of the bodily Assumption of Our Blessed Mother in Scripture?
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    Where in the Bible does it say that Our Lady is "the Mother of God?" 

    If you're going to argue that the Bible doesn't have to literally say something, then where does the Bible say that? Because for a Protestant you'll have to provide a Scripture chapter and verse for every principle you claim.
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    One thing also. You need to understand the Jєωs to understand this. When we say, "Jesus is Lord," we are also saying, "Jesus is God." Because the Jєωs did not use the name "God" when they talked about Him. They used the word "Lord." Therefore when we say "Jesus is Lord," we are also saying Mary is the Mother of God.
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    That's nice.
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    At least you're doing a little thinking here. Congratulations. I'm not saying it cannot be REASONED, just like the fact that the earth is spheroid can be REASONED from our direct observations of the moon phases, but the point is, 
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         A)  the WORDS, "Mother of God," are not to be found in Scripture, and 
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         B)  claiming that "Mother of God" is a doctrine found in the Bible invites the rancor of dissidents.
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    The point still stands, the words "Mother of God" are not found in Scripture applying to Our Lady, or applying to anything else. The closest words to that are "queen of heaven" and they're in regards to nothing positive, to a pagan religion. 
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    The same principle might seem to apply to the Trinity -- nowhere in Scripture does it mention the "Trinity," but nonetheless, no credible Bible scholar would attempt to argue that the Trinity as a principle is not found in the Bible. But here's the rub: the same scholars (I mean non-Catholic scholars:  as-it-were oxymoron scholars) who readily defend "the Trinity" sometimes argue that "Mother of God" is not Scriptural! 
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    Like I said, it took hundreds of years for the doctrine of Our Lady as the Mother of God to be settled by the Church and even the Eastern Churches were in agreement (to this day the Orthodox parade this around with enormous adherence and attention -- it's rather alarming sometimes). Meanwhile, the Trinity was never under any such controversy ....... that is, until the Moslems came along!
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    Which reminds me, St. Patrick evangelized Ireland by preaching the Trinity, about 100 years before Mohammed's time. Interesting timeline there.
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