Author Topic: Books about the Knights Templar (Read 4247 times)

AnonymousCatholic · « **on:** January 28, 2016, 09:54:04 PM »

So as a young man who regards his Catholic faith with fiery zeal I began to look around in the history of the Knights Templar. Unfortunately I can only find liberal pages that say the confessions of sodomy were legitimate despite the use of torture.
So I am inquiring about any good reads on the topic that are untainted by the grubby fingers of liberalism.

roscoe · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2016, 10:08:21 PM »

Pope Clement V issued 12 Infallible Bulls( which have never been rescinded) in condemnation Of KT. Are you calling him a liberal? :confused1:

roscoe · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2016, 10:34:24 PM »

Could you give us an example of one or 2 of these 'liberals' .... :detective:

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2016, 11:10:42 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Could you give us an example of one or 2 of these 'liberals' .... :detective:

Well more specifically I delve into the internet looking for info and I find that most of the links provided are well known liberal outlets (such as Wikipedia). If I recall clement the 5th was elected due to the artful manipulation of the king of France King Phillip IV, who was after the Templars fabled wealth. Not to mention Clement did release a public statement doubting these confessions that were being collected by French interrogators. I'm just having a hard time believing that an order of Catholic knights who would chant Psalms before battle would partake in sodomy. But do not mistake my intent on starting this article. I merely wish to find out more about the Templars and find out whether or not the accusations are true.

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2016, 11:16:47 PM »

I just find the whole story shady and I would rather search for the truth. Thus I come to a Traditional Catholic forum for answers. I know Catholic Answers has something discussing the topic but they also have gαy Catholics on their board as well so I just avoid the website entirely.

roscoe · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2016, 12:49:27 AM »

Sorry but it is Not True that Clement was elected because of Philips manipulation. It is also untrue that the latter was after Templar wealth.

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2016, 06:48:28 AM »

Quote from: roscoe

Sorry but it is Not True that Clement was elected because of Philips manipulation. It is also untrue that the latter was after Templar wealth.

Well could you cite your source for this information? I would still like to look into it myself.

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2016, 11:15:24 AM »

There are numerous sources on KT.

Barber -- Knights Templar

Menache-- Clement V

Strayer-- Philip IV

I would recommend Fr Parsons essay which I believe is in Vol 3 or 4 Of his Studies In Church history. I have not read HK Manns vol 18 but I think he defends Boniface-- who was protecting Templars.

Fr's Laux and Radecki have revolted against the Pope by claiming the KT were set up or innocent.

This is not so as per the following 10 Infallible Bulls( which have never been rescinded) Of Clement V

Vox in Excelsio

Ad Providam

Considerantes

Nuper in Consilio

1 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Dudem

13 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Dudem

13 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Pridem

22 Mar 1312-- Untitled

13 Jan 1313-- Untitled

Throne of the anti-pope Boniface in Agnani

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2016, 12:12:53 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

There are numerous sources on KT.

Barber -- Knights Templar

Menache-- Clement V

Strayer-- Philip IV

I would recommend Fr Parsons essay which I believe is in Vol 3 or 4 Of his Studies In Church history. I have not read HK Manns vol 18 but I think he defends Boniface-- who was protecting Templars.

Fr's Laux and Radecki have revolted against the Pope by claiming the KT were set up or innocent.

This is not so as per the following 10 Infallible Bulls( which have never been rescinded) Of Clement V

Vox in Excelsio

Ad Providam

Considerantes

Nuper in Consilio

1 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Dudem

13 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Dudem

13 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Pridem

22 Mar 1312-- Untitled

13 Jan 1313-- Untitled

Throne of the anti-pope Boniface in Agnani

Thank you for these excellent sources. I shall begin to delve through them immediately.

roscoe · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2016, 12:20:05 PM »

Pls post English translation of Clement Bulls if they can be found. :ready-to-eat:

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2016, 12:23:23 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

There are numerous sources on KT.

Barber -- Knights Templar

Menache-- Clement V

Strayer-- Philip IV

I would recommend Fr Parsons essay which I believe is in Vol 3 or 4 Of his Studies In Church history. I have not read HK Manns vol 18 but I think he defends Boniface-- who was protecting Templars.

Fr's Laux and Radecki have revolted against the Pope by claiming the KT were set up or innocent.

This is not so as per the following 10 Infallible Bulls( which have never been rescinded) Of Clement V

Vox in Excelsio

Ad Providam

Considerantes

Nuper in Consilio

1 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Dudem

13 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Dudem

13 Dec 1312-- Untitled

Licet Pridem

22 Mar 1312-- Untitled

13 Jan 1313-- Untitled

Throne of the anti-pope Boniface in Agnani

Where can I find Fr. Parsons essay?

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:51:57 PM »

The accusations started with Joseph von Hammer-Purgstall. He basically wrote an occult text that accused Templars of being idol worshipers, among other things. His findings were refuted in Michaud's History Of The Crusades. Hammer's writings were not based on fact but based on his own imagination

You can read it here. Appendix No. 40 .

roscoe · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:09:40 PM »

Sorry but 10 Infallible Bulls of Clem V say that you are mistaken.

Fr Parsons essay on Templars( MO is that this is best account of
Templar crisis) can be found in Studies In Church History VII

Go to addall to secure a copy for about $15

also recommended are

Padre Tosti-- History Boniface

TSR Boase-- History Boniface

Sr Mary Mildred-- Conflict between Boniface & Philip

Knight & Butler-- Solomon's Power Brokers

Robinson--- Born In B,loode

:ready-to-eat:

roscoe · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:16:37 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Sorry but 10 Infallible Bulls of Clem V say that you are mistaken.

Fr Parsons essay on Templars( MO is that this is best account of
Templar crisis) can be found in Studies In Church History VII

Go to addall to secure a copy for about $15

also recommended are

Padre Tosti-- History Boniface

TSR Boase-- History Boniface

Sr Mary Mildred-- Conflict between Boniface & Philip

Knight & Butler-- Solomon's Power Brokers

Robinson--- Born In B,loode

:ready-to-eat:

Last title Should read Born In Blood--- sorry :cheers:

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:19:02 PM »

Are Papal Bulls Infallible? If so where does it say in the Catholic Church that the Bulls specifically are infallible?