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Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2019, 01:42:11 PM »
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    Hell, for all (Hitler's) efforts all he did was entrench communism and secularism in Europe, leaving a shattered continent in his wake. Find another creep to put on a pedestal.
    Not so fast.  Hitler hated Communism and wanted to rid Germany and the rest of Europe of its evil influences and control.  That he failed can, at least in large part, be attributed to the fact that he could not get the Allies, particularly Churchill FDR, to go along with him.  These,rather, armed, empowered and abetted Stalin and the Soviet Union.  They made it impossible that the true enemies of mankind at the time might be destroyed. 

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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #31 on: February 07, 2019, 10:52:05 PM »
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  • AC:Not so fast.  Hitler hated Communism and wanted to rid Germany and the rest of Europe of its evil influences and control.  That he failed can, at least in large part, be attributed to the fact that he could not get the Allies, particularly Churchill FDR, to go along with him.  These,rather, armed, empowered and abetted Stalin and the Soviet Union.  They made it impossible that the true enemies of mankind at the time might be destroyed.
    Maybe this would be more credible if Hitler had not invaded Poland in union with the Soviet Union. 


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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #32 on: February 11, 2019, 05:00:48 PM »
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  • What you are saying is that the NAZI government was condemned by two pre-Vatican II Popes.  
    No, not at all, just warned of the excess.  The church does not condemn watching the NFL, but does not allow you to sleep thru mass to watch Football.  keep things in perspective.  Any of you have any relatives that were their?  I do.   I like football, watch the Chiefs every sunday, do NOT duck my religious obligations.  

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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #33 on: February 11, 2019, 06:14:43 PM »
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  • Clarkaim, when I got this reply from poche a few posts back, I realized that he is not  person to be taken seriously: 



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    poche: Maybe this would be more credible if Hitler had not invaded Poland in union with the Soviet Union. 

    You're certainly free to engage him, if you like.  But I suggest that it is an utter waste of time to do so.

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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #34 on: February 11, 2019, 10:47:41 PM »
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  • No, not at all, just warned of the excess.  The church does not condemn watching the NFL, but does not allow you to sleep thru mass to watch Football.  keep things in perspective.  Any of you have any relatives that were their?  I do.   I like football, watch the Chiefs every sunday, do NOT duck my religious obligations.  
    Those were pretty strong words for 'excess.'


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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #35 on: February 12, 2019, 03:01:54 PM »
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  • Clarkaim, when I got this reply from poche a few posts back, I realized that he is not  person to be taken seriously:



    You're certainly free to engage him, if you like.  But I suggest that it is an utter waste of time to do so.
    There have been no explanations whatsoever for "Positive Christianity" and how that wasn't blasphemous and heretical in the extreme. 

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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #36 on: February 12, 2019, 11:22:02 PM »
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  • Here is something that Pope Pius XI said about Christianity in Mit Brennender Sorge;

    9. Beware, Venerable Brethren, of that growing abuse, in speech as in writing, of the name of God as though it were a meaningless label, to be affixed to any creation, more or less arbitrary, of human speculation. Use your influence on the Faithful, that they refuse to yield to this aberration. Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side.
    10. This God, this Sovereign Master, has issued commandments whose value is independent of time and space, country and race. As God's sun shines on every human face so His law knows neither privilege nor exception. Rulers and subjects, crowned and uncrowned, rich and poor are equally subject to His word. From the fullness of the Creators' right there naturally arises the fullness of His right to be obeyed by individuals and communities, whoever they are. This obedience permeates all branches of activity in which moral values claim harmony with the law of God, and pervades all integration of the ever-changing laws of man into the immutable laws of God.
    11. None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are "as a drop of a bucket" (Isaiah xI, 15).


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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #37 on: February 13, 2019, 11:22:50 PM »
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  • Clarkaim, when I got this reply from poche a few posts back, I realized that he is not  person to be taken seriously:



    You're certainly free to engage him, if you like.  But I suggest that it is an utter waste of time to do so.
    We would like to say that.  GOD does not.  We HAVE to love everybody, we just don't have to like them.  Or anyone else for that matter.
    MISANTHROPES OF THE WORLD UNITE!!  You have njothing to lose but your annoyances.  1
    HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS!!  2


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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #38 on: February 15, 2019, 12:13:55 AM »
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  • We would like to say that.  GOD does not.  We HAVE to love everybody, we just don't have to like them.  Or anyone else for that matter.
    MISANTHROPES OF THE WORLD UNITE!!  You have njothing to lose but your annoyances.  1
    HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS!!  2
    I was quoting Pope Pius XI. He was a pope who had nothing to do with Vatican II. It was said that Eugene Pacelli before he was elected to the papacy had a hand in its writing and promulgation. I think we should respect what these two pre-Vatican II popes had to say about Hitler and his philosophy. 

     

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