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Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
« on: February 04, 2019, 04:43:51 PM »
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  • “It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have
    the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland
    as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been
    much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be
    Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” Adolf Hitler


    One sometimes hears that Hitler was a Christian was a Christian. He was certainly not, but neither was he openly anti-Christian, as most of
    his top lieutenants were. What helped him aggrandize power,
    he  approved  of,  and  what  prevented  it,  he  did  not.  He  was
    utterly  pragmatic.  In  public  he  often  made  comments  that  made  him  sound
    pro-church or pro-Christian, but there can be no question that he said these
    things  cynically,  for  political  gain.  In  private,  he  possessed  an  unblemished
    record of statements against Christianity and Christians.
    Especially  early  in  his  career,  Hitler  wished  to  appear  like  a  typical
    German,  so  he  praised  the  churches  as  bastions  of  morality  and  traditional
    values. But he also felt that, in time, the churches would adapt to the National
    Socialist  way  of  thinking.  They  would  eventually  be  made  into  vessels  for
    Nazi ideology, so it little served his purposes to destroy them. It would be eas-
    ier to change what already existed and benefit from whatever cultural cachet
    they possessed.

    In  his  famous  diary,  Joseph  Goebbels,  who  was  probably  closer  to
    Hitler  than  anyone,  recorded  some  of  the  Führer’s  private  thoughts  about
    the clergy:
    The Fuehrer spoke very derogatorily about the arrogance of the higher
    and lower clergy. The insanity of the Christian doctrine of redemption
    really  doesn’t  fit  at  all  into  our  time.  Nevertheless  there  are  learned,
    educated men, occupying high positions in public life, who cling to it
    with the faith of a child. It is simply incomprehensible how anybody
    can  consider  the  Christian  doctrine  of  redemption  as  a  guide  for  the
    difficult life of today. The Fuehrer cited a number of exceptionally dras-
    tic and in part even grotesque examples.
    .  .  . Whereas the most learned
    and wisest scientists struggle for a whole lifetime to study but one of
    the mysterious laws of nature, a little country priest from Bavaria is in a
    position to decide this matter on the basis for his religious knowledge.
    One  can  regard  such  a  disgusting  performance  only  with  disdain.  A
    church  that  does  not  keep  step  with  modern  scientific  knowledge  is
    doomed. It may take quite a while, but it is bound finally to happen.
    Anybody  who  is  firmly  rooted  in  daily  life  and  who  can  only  faintly
    imagine the mystic secrets of nature, will naturally be extremely modest
    about the universe. The clerics, however, who have not caught a breath
    of  such  modesty,  evidence  a  sovereign  opinionated  attitude  toward
    questions of the universe.
    Hitler’s attitude toward Christianity was that it was a great heap of mys-
    tical out-of-date nonsense. But what annoyed Hitler was not that it was non-
    sense, but that it was nonsense that did not help him get ahead. According to
    Hitler, Christianity preached “meekness and flabbiness,” and this was simply
    not useful to the National Socialist ideology, which preached “ruthlessness
    and strength.” In time, he felt that the churches would change their ideology.
    He would see to it.
    Martin  Bormann  and  Heinrich  Himmler  were  the  most  passionately
    anti-Christian  members  of  Hitler’s  inner  circle,  and  they  didn’t  believe  the
    churches  should  adapt  or  could.  They  wanted  the  clergy  crushed  and  the
    churches abolished, and they encouraged Hitler along these lines whenever
    possible. They hoped to accelerate the timetable for open warfare with the
    church, but Hitler was in no hurry. Whenever he attacked the churches, his
    popularity  waned.  Unlike  his  top  men,  Hitler  had  an  instinctive  political
    sense of timing, and now was not the time to take on the churches directly.
    Now was the time to pretend to be pro-Christian.

    https://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/BONHOEFFER_excerpt_ch._11_-_Nazi_Theology.pdf
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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2019, 06:06:50 PM »
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  • What a load of manure.
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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #2 on: February 04, 2019, 06:22:01 PM »
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  • Excerpt from an article by Fred Duswald, “Der Neue Wendig."


    Dietrich Bonhoeffer, born February 4, 1906 in Breslau [a hidden Pole?] was a traitor and what normal thinking Germans (not brain washed) would call a “Schwein.” He was guilty of treason and high treason.
    The pious German, Hans Joachim Schultz, 1936, says that “The ‘man of God, Bonhoeffer’ was in reality godless (in his writing: “Wer ist Bonhoeffer?”) as Bonhoeffer claimed that ‘the man of God has to act against Jesus Christ, must sin, must use the opportunity to step over all laws and God’s laws for love and truth, must lie, cheat, steal and even murder.’ Bonhoeffer gave up God on 16 July 1944.”
    To avoid to have to go into German military service, Bonhoeffer went off to the United States in 1939 [perhaps to get his assignments?] paid by the church, but then he came back! Interesting! Bonhoeffer traveled around Germany and Europe providing the enemies with information about the Reich for which he was paid. In other words, he was a spy as well, besides being an agitator against the Reich. He was arrested for treason and high treason and executed on 9 April 1945.
    In 1975 he was rejected by the church as a representative of atheism. Yet the “church” (false church) continues to honor this heretic  to this day and has put him on place number one before Jesus Christ and Martin Luther; Luther is second, Jesus Christ is third!!!
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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #3 on: February 04, 2019, 06:50:57 PM »
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  • What a load of manure.
    You are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts.
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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #4 on: February 04, 2019, 07:21:46 PM »
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  • You are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts.
    Cera, I sincerely think you should take the time to view Dennis Wise's magnum opus on Hitler, The Greatest Story Ever Told. 
    Wise is a trad Catholic and knows a ton about these issues. 
    Speer was bought and paid for at Nuremberg to save his skin.
    Bormann was indeed anti-Christian. His fireside chats that are allegedly words of Hitlers that many have grave doubts about their authenticity, are dubious at best.
    The fact is, the Church lost it's only temporal protector on earth when the Axis lost. Shortly there after, enter VII......
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco


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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #5 on: February 05, 2019, 12:57:15 AM »
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  • 8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community — however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things — whoever raises these notions above thheir standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.
    9. Beware, Venerable Brethren, of that growing abuse, in speech as in writing, of the name of God as though it were a meaningless label, to be affixed to any creation, more or less arbitrary, of human speculation. Use your influence on the Faithful, that they refuse to yield to this aberration. Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side.


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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #6 on: February 05, 2019, 01:22:21 AM »
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  • Hitler was probably a marrano.. :chef:
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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #7 on: February 05, 2019, 01:47:29 AM »
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  • Cera, I sincerely think you should take the time to view Dennis Wise's magnum opus on Hitler, The Greatest Story NEVER Told.
    Wise is a trad Catholic and knows a ton about these issues.

    https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/10-questions-answered-by-dennis-wise/


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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #8 on: February 05, 2019, 11:29:20 AM »
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  • Cera, I sincerely think you should take the time to view Dennis Wise's magnum opus on Hitler, The Greatest Story Ever Told.
    Wise is a trad Catholic and knows a ton about these issues.
    Speer was bought and paid for at Nuremberg to save his skin.
    Bormann was indeed anti-Christian. His fireside chats that are allegedly words of Hitlers that many have grave doubts about their authenticity, are dubious at best.
    The fact is, the Church lost it's only temporal protector on earth when the Axis lost. Shortly there after, enter VII......
    If that's the case, why did the Pope condemn the 3rd Reich in Mit Brennende Sorge?

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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #9 on: February 05, 2019, 12:21:48 PM »
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  • 8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community — however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things — whoever raises these notions above thheir standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.
    9. Beware, Venerable Brethren, of that growing abuse, in speech as in writing, of the name of God as though it were a meaningless label, to be affixed to any creation, more or less arbitrary, of human speculation. Use your influence on the Faithful, that they refuse to yield to this aberration. Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side.


    http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11brenn.htm
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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 12:46:43 PM »
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  • You know what blows this stupid argument out of the water?  Bonhoeffer?  he was a modernist LUTHERAN!  what could he possibly know about Catholicism.  Isn't it interesting that the ANTI-National Socialist catholic (so-called) were not in prison camps post war? the pro NS (the great majority of Catholic Clergy, by the way) frequently were.  VII modernist robber council was a very short few years post war and some of the principle German actors et. al, were able to ruin the church.  is it any wonder that this was also a fruit of the destruction of the ONLY nation to ever even try to stand up to Judaeo-masonic global domination?  

    Why are people still trying to demonize Hitler 74 years AFTER he left the world stage?  (I don't say died.  I hope he actually did escape to S. America, rather than died via suicide and losing his soul.   By the way there is as much legitimate evidence for this as the Trevor Roper hearsay that is the standard Narrative.  Hitler has to be the Avatar for evil or we might be forced to look at ourselves.  How many million dead Germans are there from some of our Grandfather's raining death on Civilians (not only Dresden )  WW2 was a fratricidal war foisted on European white people to ease the establishment of Israel and Jewish world domination.  It is SO OBVIOUS if u just open your eyes!!


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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 01:00:10 PM »
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  • If that's the case, why did the Pope condemn the 3rd Reich in Mit Brennende Sorge?
    Um, that just isn't true.  MBS is not a condemnation of NS but rather the extremes of UNRESTRAINED nationalism.  It was written by Eugenio Pacelli for Pius XI, and while justly concerned for what appeared as the Cult of the State in Germany (as well as Italy by the way)  The fact is that the practical aspects of NS were not only NOT condemned, but even encouraged in his later actions as POPE PIUS XII.  Hitler understood the German nation as in fact a corporate family that had a right and a duty to protect  itself and grow, seeking it's rightful aims  Pius the 12th wanted to prevent an over-arching worship of the state as a substitute God and I think he was correct to express these concerns.  He NEVER meant to condemn either the party or the German state, rather to check extremism and encourage political moderation. 

    In a word, the Third Reich was NOT condemned in MBS, only the notion of the state replacing God.  Your statement is just WRONG

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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 01:24:24 PM »
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  • Um, that just isn't true.  MBS is not a condemnation of NS but rather the extremes of UNRESTRAINED nationalism.  It was written by Eugenio Pacelli for Pius XI, and while justly concerned for what appeared as the Cult of the State in Germany (as well as Italy by the way)  The fact is that the practical aspects of NS were not only NOT condemned, but even encouraged in his later actions as POPE PIUS XII.  Hitler understood the German nation as in fact a corporate family that had a right and a duty to protect  itself and grow, seeking it's rightful aims  Pius the 12th wanted to prevent an over-arching worship of the state as a substitute God and I think he was correct to express these concerns.  He NEVER meant to condemn either the party or the German state, rather to check extremism and encourage political moderation.  

    In a word, the Third Reich was NOT condemned in MBS, only the notion of the state replacing God.  Your statement is just WRONG
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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #13 on: February 05, 2019, 01:59:34 PM »
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  • Um, that just isn't true.  MBS is not a condemnation of NS but rather the extremes of UNRESTRAINED nationalism.  It was written by Eugenio Pacelli for Pius XI, and while justly concerned for what appeared as the Cult of the State in Germany (as well as Italy by the way)  The fact is that the practical aspects of NS were not only NOT condemned, but even encouraged in his later actions as POPE PIUS XII.  Hitler understood the German nation as in fact a corporate family that had a right and a duty to protect  itself and grow, seeking it's rightful aims  Pius the 12th wanted to prevent an over-arching worship of the state as a substitute God and I think he was correct to express these concerns.  He NEVER meant to condemn either the party or the German state, rather to check extremism and encourage political moderation.  

    In a word, the Third Reich was NOT condemned in MBS, only the notion of the state replacing God.  Your statement is just WRONG
    Implying that a German text read out only in Germany was not directed at Germany is a blatant and poor attempt at revisionism 

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    Re: Bonhoeffer: Hitler was anti-Catholic
    « Reply #14 on: February 05, 2019, 02:22:41 PM »
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  • Implying that a German text read out only in Germany was not directed at Germany is a blatant and poor attempt at revisionisim
    Implying that VII was not for the consumption of the universal Church is....oh never mind....
    This is a weak redirect.
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