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  • Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13. In all humility, it is important for us to realize that although Bergoglio has canonized “saints” who leave much to be desired, we are guilty of pride as well as black-and-white thinking if we have a knee-jerk reaction against his canonization. Blessed Newman was a strong opponent of liberalism, as you can see here in an excerpt from Rorate Caeli -- one of his sermons opposing liberalism.

       For thirty, forty, fifty years, I have resisted to the best of my powers the spirit of Liberalism in religion. Never did Holy Church need champions against it more sorely than now, when, alas! it is an error overspreading, as a snare, the whole earth; and on this great occasion, when it is natural for one who is in my place to look out upon the world, and upon Holy Church as in it, and upon her future, it will not, I hope, be considered out of place, if I renew the protest against it which I have made so often.

        Liberalism in religion is the doctrine that there is no positive truth in religion, but that one creed is as good as another, and this is the teaching which is gaining substance and force daily. It is inconsistent with any recognition of any religion, as true. It teaches that all are to be tolerated, for all are matters of opinion. Revealed religion is not a truth, but a sentiment and a taste; not an objective fact, not miraculous; and it is the right of each individual to make it say just what strikes his fancy. Devotion is not necessarily founded on faith. Men may go to Protestant Churches and to Catholic, may get good from both and belong to neither. They may fraternise together in spiritual thoughts and feelings, without having any views at all of doctrines in common, or seeing the need of them. Since, then, religion is so personal a peculiarity and so private a possession, we must of necessity ignore it in the intercourse of man with man. If a man puts on a new religion every morning, what is that to you? It is as impertinent to think about a man's religion as about his sources of income or his management of his family. Religion is in no sense the bond of society.

        Hitherto the civil power has been Christian. Even in countries separated from the Church, as in my own, the dictum was in force, when I was young, that 'Christianity was the law of the land.' Now, everywhere that goodly framework of society, which is the creation of Christianity, is throwing off Christianity. The dictum to which I have referred, with a hundred others which followed upon it, is gone, or is going everywhere; and, by the end of the century, unless the Almighty interferes, it will be forgotten.

        Hitherto, it has been considered that religion alone, with its supernatural sanctions, was strong enough to secure submission of the masses of our population to law and order; now the Philosophers and Politicians are bent on satisfying this problem without the aid of Christianity. Instead of the Church's authority and teaching, they would substitute first of all a universal and thoroughly secular education, calculated to bring home to every individual that to be orderly, industrious, and sober is his personal interest.        

        Then, for great working principles to take the place of religion, for the use of the masses thus carefully educated, it provides the broad fundamental ethical truths, of justice, benevolence, veracity, and the like, proved experience, and those natural laws which exist and act spontaneously in society, and in social matters, whether physical or psychological - for instance, in government, trade, finance, sanitary experiments, and the intercourse of nations. As to Religion, it is a private luxury, which a man may have if he will; but which of course he must pay for, and which he must not obtrude upon others, or indulge in to their annoyance.

        . . . Such is the state of things in England, and it is well that it should be realised by all of us; but it must not be supposed for a moment that I am afraid of it. I lament it deeply, because I foresee that it may be the ruin of many souls; but I have no fear at all that it really can do aught of serious harm to the Word of God, to Holy Church, to our Almighty King, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, Faithful and True, or to His Vicar on earth.

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2019/02/john-henry-newman-saint-i-have-resisted.html

      
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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2019, 02:25:38 PM »
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  • Problem is, they will not be "canonizing" him according to a traditional conception of heroic virtue, but because his non-Thomistic language is easy to corrupt, and twist into a promotion of dogmatic evolution (which they will call development of doctrine, but which Newman himself would call a corruption of doctrine).

    It was a corruption of Newman's thought that the heretics latched onto in order to legitimize their new modernist "reforms."

    Look for the "development of doctrine" to be given prominence in his bogus canonization.

    I believe he is in heaven, but his canonization will not really be a canonization in the proper sense (just like Padre Pio's isn't).
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2019, 03:41:42 PM »
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  • Problem is, they will not be "canonizing" him according to a traditional conception of heroic virtue, but because his non-Thomistic language is easy to corrupt, and twist into a promotion of dogmatic evolution (which they will call development of doctrine, but which Newman himself would call a corruption of doctrine).

    It was a corruption of Newman's thought that the heretics latched onto in order to legitimize their new modernist "reforms."

    Look for the "development of doctrine" to be given prominence in his bogus canonization.

    I believe he is in heaven, but his canonization will not really be a canonization in the proper sense (just like Padre Pio's isn't).

    This reminds me of the situation with St. Francis of Assisi, although I have no concerns about his canonization.  There is, however, a popular misconception of his teaching and person that supports modernism.  He was an orthodox and devout Catholic, but in the minds of most he is an animal-loving hippie.

    I am afraid you are right about Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman.  However holy and orthodox he may have been, we can expect to see his writings, especially on development of doctrine, misused.  

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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #3 on: July 28, 2019, 09:41:49 AM »
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  • Remember this is the conciliar church and not the Catholic Church that is doing the canonization.
    We continue to wait for the restoration of the proper form of canonization which means Rome must be Catholic again. 
    This is a serious journey,not a Hobbit walking party.

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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #4 on: July 28, 2019, 10:55:17 AM »
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  • Remember this is the conciliar church and not the Catholic Church that is doing the canonization.
    We continue to wait for the restoration of the proper form of canonization which means Rome must be Catholic again.
    Do you believe Francis is the Pope?
    If so, why do you think he has lost the authority to canonise? 


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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #5 on: July 28, 2019, 11:16:08 AM »
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  • Do you believe Francis is the Pope?
    If so, why do you think he has lost the authority to canonise?

    Can you show me where in the 1917 Code of Canon Law, or even in the 1992 modernist CCC the canonization of saints is discussed?
    It isn’t.

    Could you show me hoe canonizations meet the requirements of papal infallibility as defined at Vatican I?

    They don’t.

    Can you show me any binding CHURCH teaching that says canonizations are de fide?
    There isn’t.
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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #6 on: July 28, 2019, 05:38:06 PM »
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  • October 13th is Our Lady of Fatima. 
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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #7 on: July 28, 2019, 05:44:47 PM »
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  • “St John's longest friendship was with John Henry Newman, and the two shared communitarian life for 32 years from 1843 (when St John was 28.  

    4] Newman wrote after St John's death: "I have ever thought no bereavement was equal to that of a husband's or a wife's, but I feel it difficult to believe that any can be greater, or any one's sorrow greater, than mine."[5] He was a man of marked individuality and Newman paid tribute to him in his Apologia, and directed that he himself be buried in the same grave as St. John: "I wish, with all my heart, to be buried in Fr Ambrose St John's grave — and I give this as my last, my imperative will."[6] The pall over Newman's coffin bore the cardinal's motto, Cor ad cor loquitur (Heart speaks to heart), a phrase he took from Francis de Sales, and quoted some 25 years earlier in a letter on university preaching. He incorporated these words into his famous work on education The Idea of a University.[7]
    The two share a memorial stone inscribed with the words he had chosen: Ex umbris et imaginibus in veritatem ("Out of shadows and phantasms into the truth").
    In 2008, the Vatican ordered that Fr Ambrose St John's remains be separated from those of Newman, contrary to Newman's dying wishes, in preparation for Newman's possible canonisation. Campaigners for homosexual rights within the Church speculated the Vatican was embarrassed by the relationship between the two though historians and scholars of the period suggest this is a misunderstanding of the concept of friendship that existed at the time.[8] Newman's remains in the shared grave were exhumed as part of a plan to move them to the Oratory in Birmingham city centre. At the exhumation, Newman's wooden coffin was found to have disintegrated and the bodies completely decayed.[9]
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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #8 on: July 28, 2019, 06:23:22 PM »
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  • Was Cardinal Newman 'Gay'?
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    Hello TIA, 

    I have to confess that I was surprised when I first read on your website your position on Newman as a liberal. Second thoughts and a little research, however, showed me that in fact he had been in the vanguard of the opposition to the dogma of Papal Infallibility and closely acquainted with the left wing of Vatican Council I. 

    Also his concept of conscience is very much the same as that of the Modernists who followed him, that is, it supposes a kind of revelation of God within the soul of each person. 

    Now that Benedict XVI is going to beatify Newman, he ordered his body to be removed from his actual burial site to another place in order to favor the public cult. Today, breaking news was released: Newman was an alleged homosexual, and he supposedly is buried along with his male partner at his express request. To hide his homosexuality would be the real reason for moving him to another place. 

    I send you the news with source, name, dates and addresses. If this is proved to be true, it is a revelation that confirms your points, isn't it? 

         Regards, 

         In Christ Jesus, 

         E.J. 

    Canterbury, England (ENI) - British gay rights activist Peter Tatchell has described the Vatican's instruction that the body of Cardinal John Henry Newman be moved from its grave at a cemetery in the English town of Rednal to a special new resting place at the nearby Birmingham Oratory as "an act of religious desecration and moral vandalism." In an interview with Ecumenical News International, Tatchell said, "Newman repeatedly made it clear that he wanted to be buried next to his life-long partner, Ambrose St. John. No one gave the Pope permission to defy Newman's wishes. The re-burial has only one aim in mind: to cover up Newman's homosexuality and to disavow his love for another man. It is an act of shameless dishonesty and personal betrayal by the gay-hating Catholic Church." (Ecumenical News International / News Highlights / 18 August 2008) 

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    TIA responds: 

    Hello Mr. E.J., 

    We thank you for sending us this news, and we are passing it on to our readers. 

    Certainly we are on the same page regarding your analysis of Cardinal John Henry Newman as a liberal and pre-Modernist. We also believe his thesis on conscience is similar to that of the Modernists. 

    However, regarding the affirmation that Cardinal Newman was a homosexual, it is our opinion that we should take the data into consideration but be cautious not to reach precipitate conclusions. 

    As far as we know, the mentioned Peter Tatchell is a recognized homosexual who was the chairman of the London group called Outrage. In 1995 Tatchell blackmailed Cardinal Basil Hume into publishing a statement favoring homosexuality. If he refused to do so, Tatchell said he would call a press conference (as he did) to disclose private information regarding Cardinal Hume's customs. Hume published the note (as Tatchell had asked at a time he chose) shortly before the threatened press conference. 

    Prior to this, the same Tatchell had obliged 10 bishops of the so-called Church of England to publicly confess their homosexuality, and 34 other Anglican bishops to issue a statement saying that "one can simultaneously be gay and a good Christian." The documents regarding these and other pressure tactics exercised by Tatchell on Cardinal Hume and Anglican prelates can be found in A.S. Guimarães' Vatican II, Homosexuality and Pedophilia (Los Angeles: TIA, 2004, pp.140-146). 

    This same scandalous man appears to be the only source of the news you sent us about Cardinal Newman. He is morally condemnable as a homosexual and a blackmailer, but, as far as we know, he has not been proved wrong in his accusations. 

    We are carefully watching the development of this case without making any premature judgment. 

         Cordially, 

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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #9 on: July 28, 2019, 06:25:33 PM »
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  • Is any of this true?
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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #10 on: July 28, 2019, 06:35:33 PM »
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  • Why October 13th?

    Blessed John Henry Newman - britannica.com

    Blessed John Henry Newman, (born Feb. 21, 1801, London, Eng.—died Aug. 11, 1890, Birmingham, Warwick; beatified Sept. 19, 2010; feast day October 9), influential churchman and man of letters of the 19th century, who led the Oxford Movement in the Church of England and later became a cardinal-deacon in the Roman Catholic Church.
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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #11 on: July 28, 2019, 06:38:08 PM »
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  • Blessed John Henry Newman - Franciscan Media

    The Liturgical Feast of Blessed John Henry Newmanis October 9. Reflection John Henry Newman has been called the "absent Father of Vatican II" because his writings on conscience, religious liberty, Scripture, the vocation of lay people, the relation of Church and State, and other topics were extremely influential in the shaping of the Council's documents.
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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #12 on: July 28, 2019, 06:43:01 PM »
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  • “St John's longest friendship was with John Henry Newman, and the two shared communitarian life for 32 years from 1843 (when St John was 28.  

    4] Newman wrote after St John's death: "I have ever thought no bereavement was equal to that of a husband's or a wife's, but I feel it difficult to believe that any can be greater, or any one's sorrow greater, than mine."[5] He was a man of marked individuality and Newman paid tribute to him in his Apologia, and directed that he himself be buried in the same grave as St. John: "I wish, with all my heart, to be buried in Fr Ambrose St John's grave — and I give this as my last, my imperative will."[6] The pall over Newman's coffin bore the cardinal's motto, Cor ad cor loquitur (Heart speaks to heart), a phrase he took from Francis de Sales, and quoted some 25 years earlier in a letter on university preaching. He incorporated these words into his famous work on education The Idea of a University.[7]
    The two share a memorial stone inscribed with the words he had chosen: Ex umbris et imaginibus in veritatem ("Out of shadows and phantasms into the truth").
    In 2008, the Vatican ordered that Fr Ambrose St John's remains be separated from those of Newman, contrary to Newman's dying wishes, in preparation for Newman's possible canonisation. Campaigners for homosexual rights within the Church speculated the Vatican was embarrassed by the relationship between the two though historians and scholars of the period suggest this is a misunderstanding of the concept of friendship that existed at the time.[8] Newman's remains in the shared grave were exhumed as part of a plan to move them to the Oratory in Birmingham city centre. At the exhumation, Newman's wooden coffin was found to have disintegrated and the bodies completely decayed.[9]




                  
                   And by Newman's own account, he laid down with his friend on his deathbed :facepalm:
               
                   Newman voted against Papal Infallibility at Vatican I.

                   Newman never recanted the writings of his three Protestant books.

                   But Cera honors him?  

                   She detests TIA because they researched Cardinal Newman extensively and found his cause for Canonization wanting.

                   There's an utter irony here, in that Cera claims TIA and Dr. Plineo are cultists, while she herself admires and promotes a jew-prot convert, who was likely a marrano and/or worse. :jester:

                 
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #13 on: July 28, 2019, 07:57:16 PM »
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  • Can you show me where in the 1917 Code of Canon Law, or even in the 1992 modernist CCC the canonization of saints is discussed?
    It isn’t.

    Could you show me hoe canonizations meet the requirements of papal infallibility as defined at Vatican I?

    They don’t.

    Can you show me any binding CHURCH teaching that says canonizations are de fide?
    There isn’t.

    We've gone through this many times.  According to The Catholic Encyclopedia, it is the GENERAL view among Catholic theologians (meaning majority opinion) that the infallibility of canonizations is THEOLOGICALLY CERTAIN.  Even though one is not strictly a heretic for denying this infallibility, rejecting a theologically certain proposition still constitutes a mortal sin against faith.  So, not, it's not de fide (although some theologians hold it to be so), but it's also not a take-it-of-leave-it-as-it-suits-you proposition.

    You reject the infallibility of canonizations simply because it's inconvenient for your dogmatic R&R position.  If you look at the canonization formula, which has been retained by the V2 papal claimants, it clearly invokes infallibility.

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    For the honor of the Blessed Trinity, the exaltation of the Catholic faith and the increase of the Christian life, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and own own, after due deliberation and frequent prayer for divine assistance, and having sought the counsel of many of our brother bishops, we declare and define Blessed John XXIII, John Paul II, be saints, and we enroll them among the saints, decreeing that they are to be venerated as such by the whole Church. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen

    What is lacking here in the notes of infallibility?  By the authority of Peter and Paul (and his own), he "declares and defines" that they are saints, decreeing that they are to be venerated as such by the whole Church.  To claim that something pronounced with such authority and solemn language can be in error constitutes nothing less than an insult to the Church and to the Holy Spirit.  Snap out of this, man.  

    Also, the formula itself was preceded by orations/petitions requesting the assistance of the Holy Spirit against error in the judgment.

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    Holy Father, Holy Church, trusting in the Lord’s promise to send upon her the Spirit of Truth, who in every age keeps the supreme Magisterium immune from error, most earnestly beseeches Your Holiness to enroll these, her elect, among the Saints.

    So the Church explicitly invokes the Holy Spirit for immunity from error in this judgment, and then uses solemn language and full papal authority to DEFINE this matter and make it binding on the whole Church.  If this is not infallible, then almost nothing is.  It not only meets every single one of the notes of infallibility, but even explicitly invokes the "immun[ity] from error" granted to the Magisterium by the Holy Spirit.  It also rejects the notion that this is not a "matter of faith and morals" by declaring it an act of the Magisterium.  You've got absolutely NOTHING to stand on except your own wishful thinking.

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    Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
    « Reply #14 on: July 28, 2019, 08:08:20 PM »
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  • Could you show me hoe canonizations meet the requirements of papal infallibility as defined at Vatican I?

    QED in my previous post.

     

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