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Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
« on: April 11, 2012, 10:06:51 AM »
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  • Form the "Jєωιѕн" online magazine Searchlight :

    http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/archive/fascists-join-catholic-traditionalists-at-london-conference


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    Remembrance Sunday in London has for decades been desecrated by various British nαzιs turning up to parade through the streets of the capital: an infamous insult to those who gave their lives to defeat fascism seventy years ago.

    As reported in December’s Searchlight, the National Front’s numbers were boosted at its march to the Cenotaph last year with new recruits such as Richard Edmonds, a former second-in-command in the British National Party, taking part for the first time since the NF split in 1980 and marching alongside some of the most violent survivors of the Combat 18 factions from the 1990s.

    But away from the cameras the same weekend saw further connections being built among the elite of British fascism, where far-right Catholics associated with the Society of St Pius X are increasingly active. This Society was founded in Switzerland in 1970 by the French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and brought together clerics who opposed the reforms of the Second Vatican Council in 1965.

    While some of these “Vatican II” reforms were not obviously political, among its ultra-conservative opponents there have always been a substantial number of antisemites – Catholics who see modernity as the fruit of a sinister conspiracy involving Jєωs and Freemasons.

    Although Hitler’s Third Reich included many pagan occultists among its leaders, its allies across Europe (including most of the footsoldiers who carried out the h0Ɩ0cαųst) were inspired by one or other variety of Christian antisemitic tradition. Even now the main criticism of Hitler’s nαzιs from some Catholic traditionalists is that they were secret allies of a Jєωιѕн conspiracy!

    Links between the SSPX and fascism have been particularly apparent in France, where L-e-f-e-b-v-r-i-s-t-s have appeared regularly with Jean-Marie Le Pen’s Front National. In May 1989 the fugitive nαzι collaborator Paul Touvier was discovered hiding at the SSPX priory in Nice, where he was sheltered with the full knowledge of the Society’s leaders. Touvier had been head of intelligence for a unit of the collaborationist Milice, working directly under Klaus Barbie, the “Butcher of Lyon”. He became the first Frenchman convicted for crimes against humanity under the Vichy regime, and was sentenced to life imprisonment after a trial where he was accompanied throughout by an SSPX priest.

    Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated in 1988 for ordaining four SSPX priests as bishops without the Vatican’s authority. The new bishops were also cast out by Rome. They included the English priest and former school teacher Richard Williamson.
    On the evening of Remembrance Sunday 2011 a weekend conference opened in north London at the SSPX Church of Saints Joseph and Padarn. It was the fourth in a series of annual events under the title “Bringing Christ to Our Neighbour: Fortifying our Future through the Faith of our Past”.

    Fearing press attention the organisers disguised the identity of the “guest speaker” on the Sunday afternoon, whose theme was to be “Church and State”. It was none other than the notorious Bishop Williamson, who was thrown out of Argentina for his h0Ɩ0cαųst denial and other antisemitic activity in February 2009. In April 2010 Bishop Williamson was convicted in Germany of inciting racial hatred through his h0Ɩ0cαųst denial statements in a television interview broadcast the previous year. The Society suffered further embarrassment when Bishop Williamson hired Wolfram Nahrath, the former head of the banned nαzι group Wiking Jugend (Viking Youth), as his German lawyer.

    Another speaker at the north London conference, Alex Kennedy, had attended a memorial dinner for Sir Oswald Mosley during the same weekend, as had several of the audience. SSPX supporters have regularly turned up at meetings of the New Right in London. Jeremy Bedford-Turner – the leader of one of the two New Right factions that split last summer – has cultivated particularly close links with the Society, even though other New Right figures have long been involved with occultism.

    All this reminds some veteran nαzι-watchers of the late 1980s, when the “political soldier” wing of the NF split into Catholic and pagan factions. The Catholics became the “International Third Position”, controlled by the Italian fascist exiles Roberto Fiore and Massimo Morsello and very close to the SSPX. The former leading NF activists Derek Holland and Michael Fishwick are still active in SSPX circles.
    Some SSPX members are concerned at these political links, especially as Bishop Williamson associates with non-Catholics in the h0Ɩ0cαųst denial movement, such as David Irving and Michèle Renouf. Among these critics is Blaise Compton, a well known composer and musicologist who attended the north London conference and whose father was a prominent Catholic journalist. Compton shares the fears of the SSPX leadership that a media spotlight on blatant antisemitism will scupper any chance of reuniting with Rome.

    After the SSPX promoted a convicted antisemite speaking on Remembrance Sunday about the relationship between Catholicism and politics, one might think the organisation would be shunned by the Roman Catholic hierarchy. But for the past three or four years a complicated factional game has played out between the Vatican and the leaders of SSPX and other ultra-conservative rebels against papal authority.

    Pope Benedict XVI (the former German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) was himself on the conservative wing of the church, and clearly wishes to reunite conservatives who have spent decades in the wilderness after breaking away from the Vatican. Bishop Bernard Fellay, the “Superior General” of the SSPX, agrees, and has been involved in detailed negotiations. Fellay agreed to move the SSPX away from Williamson’s blatant antisemitism and h0Ɩ0cαųst denial but can only go so far without alienating many of his own members who follow Williamson’s line.
    Despite regular orders to keep quiet for the sake of the bigger project of influencing the entire Catholic Church in an ultra-conservative direction, Bishop Williamson has continued to publish an email newsletter circulated to a list of supporters around the world.

    In his first email message of 2012 Williamson took a step closer to what many of his supporters see as an inevitable split in the Society, writing of “the pre-Apocalyptic gravity of the crisis in the Church”. Mocking the position of the SSPX leadership as a dangerous delusion, he summarised their stance as: “with just a little flexibility on each side surely Rome and the SSPX can arrive at some arrangement whereby Rome gives back to the SSPX that respectability which it should never have lost, while the SSPX can re-enter Rome in a triumphal procession on the way to the two together re-conquering the world for Christ.”

    In contrast Williamson’s position is that there can be no compromise with the forces of Modernism, which, after all, were explicitly condemned by the very Pope Pius X after whom the Society is named. Like many on the far right Williamson takes comfort in the hope that economic and social collapse will lead to revolutionary (or counter-revolutionary) change. While Modernists might think they are winning the political game, he writes: “… the great and good God has a surprise in store for those who think so. To save souls he washed out men’s whole wretched system in the time of Noah, and to save souls again he may this time round blast it clean. The blasting may or may not start in 2012.”

    There are many among the Bishop’s flock who likewise believe that 2012 might see the beginning of the counter-revolution. As Britain’s far right seeks a way forward following the decline of Nick Griffin’s BNP, there is a significant overlap between political and religious antisemites looking for leadership. It may be that the SSPX (and whatever hardline faction emerges from the likely turmoil in the Society later this year) will merely continue providing a refuge for those who cannot accept the modern world, including casualties of factional disputes within British fascism. But the real danger is that a post-BNP movement might draw strength from the assiduous networking of London’s Catholic fundamentalists.


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    Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
    « Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 11:17:59 AM »
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  • I hold the same view as 'Dedalus' when he addressed Dorothy Banks.

    "Dear Madam

    I am not a cleric, nor a Third Order Member, so I am not bound in obedience to Bishop Fellay."

    Catholics attend the SSPX for the sacraments and are not under obedience to Bishop Fellay. Is she still attending the SSPX chapels? I would love to meet her out of interest. I wouldn't pay any heed to Carol Byrne either. She attacked Distributism.

    Those attending the BCTON are the type of people we need. Perhaps the critics could put on a conference and try suggest how things should be done.

    Maybe this Miss Banks changed her mind regarding the Bishop etc etc .


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    Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
    « Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 11:28:38 AM »
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  • The only thing to do about this Searchlies article is laugh at it. The show goes on.

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    Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
    « Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 11:36:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    I hold the same view as 'Dedalus' when he addressed Dorothy Banks.

    "Dear Madam

    I am not a cleric, nor a Third Order Member, so I am not bound in obedience to Bishop Fellay."

    Catholics attend the SSPX for the sacraments and are not under obedience to Bishop Fellay. Is she still attending the SSPX chapels? I would love to meet her out of interest. I wouldn't pay any heed to Carol Byrne either. She attacked Distributism.

    Those attending the BCTON are the type of people we need. Perhaps the critics could put on a conference and try suggest how things should be done.

    Maybe this Miss Banks changed her mind regarding the Bishop etc etc .


    Or is she still in the anti-Bishop Wlliamson fan club of Pryor, Ruth Sestak, Patti P,Sean Romer and several more? I don't give a hoot what these crowd think.

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    Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
    « Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 11:47:44 AM »
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  • There is still a very pro-capitalist spirit among SSPX faithful in Britain so Blaise is least of our worries. It's best to focus on positive and rebuild the Districts, the chapels, the community. The Searchlies article is to be expected.


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    Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
    « Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 12:21:24 PM »
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  • Folks, let's face it, "trads" like Clare and Ashmolean would likely see nothing wrong with this article.  They have a very serious problem.

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    Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
    « Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 12:44:10 PM »
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    There is still a very pro-capitalist spirit among SSPX faithful in Britain so Blaise is least of our worries. It's best to focus on positive and rebuild the Districts, the chapels, the community. The Searchlies article is to be expected.

     

    There is this veil of secrecy among the Society flock in the UK which is partly due to the culture of regarding religion as a private matter. As I am no longer associated with them, I can only draw on old recollections which may or may not now be representative. But for Bp. W I would regard the UK scene as being rather dull and going nowhere. If there is potential for some political dimension matching the bishop's concerns and delivery, I feel this is all to the good if it helps to wean trads off modern Rome and an attachment to the status quo. But I fear the Society is a liturgical vehicle for some many happy with capitalism and the status quo; things that the Society once overtly opposed.  

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    Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
    « Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 01:03:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Folks, let's face it, "trads" like Clare and Ashmolean would likely see nothing wrong with this article.  They have a very serious problem.



    Yes, they ignore the history of the Church and are only interested in the official version of modern history from which conciliarism and liberal traditionalism springs. Their standard dismissive and puerile retort would be: "not all Jєωs are bad" in order to block debate. Clare's excuse is she is young and hopelessly Novus Ordo in spirit while Ashmolean bats for the chosen.  


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    « Reply #8 on: April 11, 2012, 01:10:19 PM »
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    There is still a very pro-capitalist spirit among SSPX faithful in Britain so Blaise is least of our worries. It's best to focus on positive and rebuild the Districts, the chapels, the community. The Searchlies article is to be expected.

     

    There is this veil of secrecy among the Society flock in the UK which is partly due to the culture of regarding religion as a private matter. As I am no longer associated with them, I can only draw on old recollections which may or may not now be representative. But for Bp. W I would regard the UK scene as being rather dull and going nowhere. If there is potential for some political dimension matching the bishop's concerns and delivery, I feel this is all to the good if it helps to wean trads off modern Rome and an attachment to the status quo. But I fear the Society is a liturgical vehicle for some many happy with capitalism and the status quo; things that the Society once overtly opposed.  


    They will probably dismiss this analysis as a 'home aloner' or a 'crank'. As I pointed out to Clare, I am not under obedience of Fr Morgan. Also the Irish Constitution allows for the freedom of speech and expression. We speak our mind in this Nation.

    Personally, if I were Michele Renouf, I would be sending a solicitor's letter.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 01:20:05 PM »
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    Also the Irish Constitution allows for the freedom of speech and expression.  


    Hardly a Catholic principle.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 11, 2012, 01:38:22 PM »
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    Also the Irish Constitution allows for the freedom of speech and expression.  


    Hardly a Catholic principle.


    I'm aware of that. I'm not an ignoramus


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    Blaise Compton, "Ashmolean" of Ignis Ardens
    « Reply #11 on: April 11, 2012, 02:16:33 PM »
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    Personally, if I were Michele Renouf, I would be sending a solicitor's letter.


    About what exactly?

    One wonders whether you would give similar advice to Ashmolean/Blaise, who has been painted as any number of things by yourself and your confreres.

    What is the purpose of naming this thread after him? It is clear that he has had no communication with the article's author. If anything, this should be named after the last conference and focused on that. But then, Diego, you do have an axe to grind.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 11, 2012, 02:21:45 PM »
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    Personally, if I were Michele Renouf, I would be sending a solicitor's letter.


    About what exactly?

    One wonders whether you would give similar advice to Ashmolean/Blaise, who has been painted as any number of things by yourself and your confreres.

    What is the purpose of naming this thread after him? It is clear that he has had no communication with the article's author. If anything, this should be named after the last conference and focused on that. But then, Diego, you do have an axe to grind.


    I haven't painted Blaise in anyway. I did disagree with Diego in attacking Oldavid. What am I alleged to have painted Ashmo has?

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    « Reply #13 on: April 11, 2012, 02:23:00 PM »
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    by yourself and your confreres.


    No idea what you mean. That Searchlight article isn't to be taken seriously. It's the usual rubbish. My own view is the BCTON are excellent conferences and should serve as a model to other Districts. I enjoyed the BCTON I attended.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 11, 2012, 02:59:00 PM »
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    Personally, if I were Michele Renouf, I would be sending a solicitor's letter.


    About what exactly?

    One wonders whether you would give similar advice to Ashmolean/Blaise, who has been painted as any number of things by yourself and your confreres.

    What is the purpose of naming this thread after him? It is clear that he has had no communication with the article's author. If anything, this should be named after the last conference and focused on that. But then, Diego, you do have an axe to grind.



    Actually, this thread has done a sevice by exposing him as the apologist operative for freemasonic and Jєωιѕн interests which he and his supporters on IA have denied that he is.

    The article in question is from a hyper Judaic source and if one reads its repetitive subtext, its anti-Catholic implications are only thinnly covered by a figleaf of concern for Facism. The as usual point is "anti-semitism" which of course is "rampant" among Traditional Catholics and all who have not submitted to the rabbinic dictates of the Novus Ordo/h0Ɩ0cαųst religion.

    It is now apparent that the Ashmolean persona has operated as a stealth standin for the collborators who are under Jєωιѕн influence.  They have driven from IA, the most effective critics of their agenda and in their place have come a number of gatekeepers to defend their interests.  This may not have been deliberate, however, that is the reality.
    Mr. Krah must be quite pleased.