Author Topic: Black Mass Protected by Religious Liberty? (Read 3428 times)

Ladislaus · « **on:** September 22, 2014, 08:20:25 AM »

I hear a lot of Novus Ordites belly-aching about the Black Mass. Based on Religious Liberty, however, HOW is it that they do not have a right to this Black Mass? I'm asking this as a serious question. Why about Religious Liberty prevents it from extending to things like this?

BTNYC · « **Reply #1 on:** September 22, 2014, 08:45:03 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I hear a lot of Novus Ordites belly-aching about the Black Mass. Based on Religious Liberty, however, HOW is it that they do not have a right to this Black Mass? I'm asking this as a serious question. Why about Religious Liberty prevents it from extending to things like this?

Nothing at all.

That is the fatal flaw in the Americanist error of "Religious Liberty." And I don't know whether to weep or laugh watching these Neocaths attempting to combat the evils that naturally flow from State-Approved religious indifferentism with impotent pleas for even more Religious Liberty (like the pathetic "Fortnight for Freedom") instead of standing up for the Social Reign of Christ the King.

When they should be chanting "Viva Cristo Rey!" these fools instead timidly mewl "We have no king but Caesar."

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #2 on:** September 22, 2014, 10:27:53 AM »

Yes, lukewarm bishops. They should have sued also because it was anti Catholic in a public event
And hosted by a registered sex offender.

The Governor of Oklahoma discriminates against Mexicans coming into Oklahoma but
Is indifferent and lukewarm to registered sex offender satanist from NYC to host a satanic mass at Oklahoma civic center. It is not over ...another satanic wants to build satan statue inOklahoma.

BTNYC · « **Reply #3 on:** September 22, 2014, 10:32:20 AM »

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Quote from: Ladislaus
I hear a lot of Novus Ordites belly-aching about the Black Mass. Based on Religious Liberty, however, HOW is it that they do not have a right to this Black Mass? I'm asking this as a serious question. Why about Religious Liberty prevents it from extending to things like this?

Nothing at all.

That is the fatal flaw in the Americanist error of "Religious Liberty." And I don't know whether to weep or laugh watching these Neocaths attempting to combat the evils that naturally flow from State-Approved religious indifferentism with impotent pleas for even more Religious Liberty (like the pathetic "Fortnight for Freedom") instead of standing up for the Social Reign of Christ the King.

When they should be chanting "Viva Cristo Rey!" these fools instead timidly mewl "We have no king but Caesar."

Downthumber - Please explain your dislike of an attack on the error of Religious Liberty and subsequent defense of the Social Reign of Christ the King.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #4 on:** September 22, 2014, 10:33:30 AM »

Our country was founded under God. Not buda or anyone else.

Not athesists or satanists. They are hostile hate groups and don't deserve religious liberty.

Would Oklahoma allow nαzιs to host event and have a mock h0Ɩ0cαųst ???

For Oklahoma civic center they took the silver.

All Catholics should sue the state of Oklahoma and their civic center under hate and discrimination against Catholics.

BTNYC · « **Reply #5 on:** September 22, 2014, 10:43:22 AM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

Our country was founded under God. Not buda or anyone else.

Not athesists or satanists. They are hostile hate groups and don't deserve religious liberty.

Our nation was founded with little more than mealy-mouthed nods to a "creator." The United States may have at one time been an officially Deist nation, but it was never a Christian one. A group of Protestants - to their credit - recognized this fact (calling it the nation's "original sin") and lobbied in the mid 19th Century for the Constitution to be amended to read "We, THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, [recognizing the being and attributes of Almighty God, the Divine Authority of the Holy Scriptures, the law of God as the paramount rule, and Jesus, the Messiah, the Saviour and Lord of all] in order to form a more perfect union," etc. Of course, this noble effort was killed in the cradle for its violation of our nation's sacrosanct codification of Religious Liberty (read: indifferentism).

I didn't think I'd need to point this out here, but I suppose one can't put too fine a point on it:

Religious Liberty is an error condemned by the Catholic Church.

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #6 on:** September 22, 2014, 12:23:04 PM »

America is an Enlightenment country. Enlightenment thinking sparked the American Revolution and influenced our founding fathers. In fact, that entire period is known as the American Enlightenment. Enlightenment thinkers condemned monarchy and organized religion for being tyrannical. So naturally the founding fathers viewed the Catholic Church in this way. The founding fathers placed government and themselves above religion. Religious liberty was created to weaken the power of the church.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** September 22, 2014, 12:32:25 PM »

We need to see a PRINCIPLE which would indicate that Religious Liberty, as proclaimed by Dignitatis Humanae, would NOT give these Satanists the RIGHT to have their Black Mass, and to have it even in public (as has happened here). Anything would be appreciated.

I don't think that there is anything ... because any statement of principle then would in fact also undermine all the other things that DH claims to be upholding. If you say it's because it's false worship, then false worship is not defended by religious liberty, and so Protestant services, Jєωιѕн services, Islamic services, these would all similarly not be protected by Religious Liberty.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** September 22, 2014, 12:34:02 PM »

I could hardly care less about America for the purposes of this discussion. I'm interested in the principles set forth in Dignitatis Humanae.

BTNYC · « **Reply #9 on:** September 22, 2014, 02:22:06 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I could hardly care less about America for the purposes of this discussion. I'm interested in the principles set forth in Dignitatis Humanae.

As that docuмent was the brainchild of John Courtney Murray SJ (Americanist par excellence and CIA shill) the two are inexorably linked. Dignitatis Humanae represents the defeat of Catholic incursions into American public policy precisely because it was a triumph of American incursion into Catholic church policy.

One cannot be discussed apart from the other.

So as there is no recourse available against Satanic ceremonies under the laws protecting Religious Liberty in America, neither is there any recourse to be found in the model set forth by Dignitatis Humanae. The apple simply cannot fall far enough away from its tree.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #10 on:** September 22, 2014, 03:31:22 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

The Governor of Oklahoma discriminates against Mexicans coming into Oklahoma but Is indifferent and lukewarm to registered sex offender satanist from NYC to host a satanic mass at Oklahoma civic center.

Her problem is probably not so much the fact that Mexican people are coming into Oklahoma, as it is that she opposes illegal immigration.

Jumping our southern border without permission, without being eligible, without paying fees, without registering--is illegal.

These people who are allowed willy-nilly to jump into our country with no penalty are a part of an invading force that is displacing the people who live here legally.

It is a further insult to see their foreign language being publicly catered to on billboards and in businesses. Toleration for illegal immigration is a clear sign of contempt for the rightful populace.

Want to hear some pissed off people? Just talk to the legal immigrants who've had to jump through 36 hoops and paid thousands of dollars to legally come here.

This black mass, on the other hand, is being allowed because of technicalities, and because our country and state have no culture or morals.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #11 on:** September 22, 2014, 03:36:34 PM »

Furthermore, since we are in a culture war, I think some sort of robust demonstration really ought to take place. My idea:

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So, it seems that the powers that be in Oklahoma City--an hour's drive from me--are content to let Satan be revered and Christianity mocked.

The silence/inaction from our mainly-Protestant-turning-atheistic leaders is pretty much equal to acquiescence.

So! Since the Oklahoma Civic Center is a free-for-all in terms of uncivic behavior...let's facilitate a show featuring how evil and destructive тαℓмυdic Judaism has been for Western Civilization for the last two thousand years.

Is anyone on this forum an expert at throwing together such a bash?

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/An-anti-Judaic-show

I also hold that the event should feature David Duke or E. Michael Jones as speaker, and that it is started off with either a koran burning (Judaic puppets for a NWO) or a тαℓмυd burning.

I seriously want that to happen.

Cantarella · « **Reply #12 on:** September 22, 2014, 09:16:16 PM »

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This country was founded on several gross errors, some of the gravest being the false idea of "religious freedom," which in practice means official agnosticism if not atheism, and the idea that even the most perverse, disgusting acts somehow qualify as protected "speech" (OK, the last bit was not explicit at the founding, but has come to be held as a sacred shibboleth by the purveyors of leftism). Historically, in Christendom, blasphemy was a very grave civil offense. But that was long ago, and governments now, in a sense, endorse not only blasphemy but even offenses to God as infinite as the mocking of His Passion, Death, and Resurrection as re-presented in every Mass.

The black mass was held. I have not really tried to find out the details, but they claim no consecrated Host was used. It seems there were also several other elements apparently missing from this "black mass" presentation. But there was still immense ugliness, perversion, effrontery, and the gravest of offenses against the God whole so loves and created them. Also on display were some very, very, very lost souls, souls who have such empty lives they are willing to commit even an act of ultimate evil in order to attract a bit of attention to barren existence. And that refers not only to those who committed this montrosity, but also those who, either through some desire to bask in the reflected darkness or out of some morbid sense of curiosity, witnessed this nightmare.

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http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/satanic-black-mass-held-thousands-protest-and-process/

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But we Catholics have been conditioned to be nice, sheep-like Americans for 150 years, at least. Don't rock the boat! Don't offend the protestant majority! Don't make waves! Infiltrate, don't chastise! Protestants are our brothers! We shouldn't judge "gαys." Marriage is between a man and a woman, but "civil unions" might be OK! Abortion is bad, but never mention the cause of the vast majority of them, contraception! No one really goes to hell! Muslims are our brothers! We all believe in the same "god!" And on and on, until we got to where we got today?

songbird · « **Reply #13 on:** September 22, 2014, 10:40:46 PM »

As long as the New Order, takes money from the Federal gov't, they serve them! therefore, they serve, not God, but the Feds. The New Order has no lukewarm Bishops, it has no bishops at all! What are they? Masons. They are putting on a Dog and Pony show, and for those who still go New Order and pay up$$$, well, those people are fool for not looking pasted the signs to show the world who they really are. A Black Mass, does that surprise the N.O? Why?, They took out the prayer of St. Michael the Archangel. Satan should feel very cozy there in the New Order.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #14 on:** September 23, 2014, 12:22:23 AM »

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Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
Our country was founded under God. Not buda or anyone else.

Not athesists or satanists. They are hostile hate groups and don't deserve religious liberty.

Our nation was founded with little more than mealy-mouthed nods to a "creator." The United States may have at one time been an officially Deist nation, but it was never a Christian one. A group of Protestants - to their credit - recognized this fact (calling it the nation's "original sin") and lobbied in the mid 19th Century for the Constitution to be amended to read "We, THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, [recognizing the being and attributes of Almighty God, the Divine Authority of the Holy Scriptures, the law of God as the paramount rule, and Jesus, the Messiah, the Saviour and Lord of all] in order to form a more perfect union," etc. Of course, this noble effort was killed in the cradle for its violation of our nation's sacrosanct codification of Religious Liberty (read: indifferentism).

I didn't think I'd need to point this out here, but I suppose one can't put too fine a point on it:

Religious Liberty is an error condemned by the Catholic Church.

Yes, I know religious liberty is an error condemned by the Catholic Church. However it is the Church that is now not condemning sins and errors of religious liberty, sex abuse by clergy, same sex marriage, divorce, living in sin, contaceptive, modesty, feminism, ecuмenicism.

Criminals, sex offenders, satanists, etc should have zero rights.

Under the Social a Reign of Jesus Christ, we are free.
2corinthians17 Where the Spirit of The Lord, there is liberty. Douay-rheims bible.