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Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: rum on January 25, 2016, 08:52:42 PM
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Maybe there are some "specialties"  where some race excel... Those of African descendance for instance do seem more athletic


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I have some thoughts on this, particularly focusing on team sports. I've seen it mentioned on the various race threads lately that blacks are athletically superior to whites. Perhaps they are.

Considering that American blacks were selectively bred for strength and endurance during slaves times it's somewhat surprising that they aren't monolithically dominant in all sports. They don't appear to have any great size advantage on whites, though they do on other nonblack groups: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/09/black-v-white-physical-differences-in.html

But it would be an interesting experiment to assemble NFL, NBA, and MLB teams of the best white and black players in those respective leagues, give each team the same budget, give each team a coach of their own race and a staff of their own race and have them compete 10 times. I suspect the white teams would win most of the time, especially if the black teams were made up of pure or nearly pure blacks, as opposed to mixed race types like Derek Jeter. The most dominant football teams of the last 15 years, the Indianapolis Colts and the New England Patriots, were two of the whitest teams in the league, if not the whitest. The white-heavy Celtics of the 1980s, led by Larry Bird, dominated most of the black-heavy teams they competed against. Even if it's true that blacks are athletically superior, athleticism is mind and body working together. I doubt all-black teams could out-strategize all-white teams if they didn't have a white coach and staff to direct them.

There was only a brief period in the late 60s in the US when all-white college basketball teams competed against all-black or integrated teams. Before this whites and blacks didn't compete against each other in team sports. You had integrated sports teams before the late-60s, but you didn't have all-white teams competing against all-black teams. When MLB was racially segregated you didn't see Babe Ruth's Yankees competing against Negro League teams. The late 60s was a very short window. It would be interesting to compile stats from that period to determine which teams came out on top most of the time. Adolph Rupp's all-white Kentucky team lost the 1966 college championship to an all-black Texas Western team (with a white coach and staff, mind you). Jєωιѕн sports writers love that game and talk about it being "historic" because they think it proves that blacks are superior athletes to white goys. I'd like to have seen those two teams play 10 times and see who won more. One game is not enough to get a good idea, and I wonder how well the Texas team would have fared even in that one game with a black coach and staff directing the action.

It's clear that in certain sports, such as running, blacks have a genetic advantage. Their success in running doesn't seem to have anything to do with social engineering or to be in any way rigged in their favor. Kenyans have dominated long-distance running for a long time, and American blacks are dominant in sprinting.

Though I think people jump the gun in assuming blacks are athletically superior all-around to whites. The Jєωιѕн establishment, blacks, and DWLs have a vested interest in promoting the idea of black physical superiority, to make blacks seem necessary, since, in a utilitarian sense, they don't contribute much of anything else to this country other than manual labor (which whites could easily do themselves).

I often hear people say that each race has its own strengths, which means that all races are deficient and need each other. Open borders types and multiculturalists always use this as a way of hoodwinking whites into thinking they'll be enriched by being overrun with nonwhites. The fact is whites, as a whole, are good at everything. The best at everything? Maybe not. But good at everything.* Unlike blacks, whites don't specialize in sports. It's just one of many things whites pursue, and yet whites still have a major presence. Can you imagine how dominant whites would be if they put all their eggs into the sports basket, as do blacks? If we had racially segregated teams I'm convinced black teams would rarely defeat white teams. And whites dominate most solo sports as it is, though this may be due to lack of access to these sports by blacks.

I'm extremely skeptical of this claim of black athletic superiority to whites, and even to other nonblack races. Especially when it comes to team sports. It wouldn't surprise me if all-asian and all-arab teams would consistently defeat all-black teams.

*Actually all races are self-contained units. The various races have been apart from other races for most of history and they've done well enough to survive on their own.
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Croixalist on January 26, 2016, 06:59:07 AM
Quote from: rum
Considering that American blacks were selectively bred for strength and endurance during slaves times it's somewhat surprising that they aren't monolithically dominant in all sports. They don't appear to have any great size advantage on whites, though they do on other nonblack groups:


If blacks were truly bred for those traits, then surely American blacks descended from slaves would be physically superior to plain old African blacks, right?
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Paul FHC on January 26, 2016, 08:00:36 AM
I think that culture is the highest factor here. Of course different races tend to be semi-isolated genepools,but this is only because our cultures tend to keep races from intermixing too much.

Another cultural example would be of course the selective breeding done on the slaves. We can see a consistency that they were bred for one thing only. Raw muscularity. This would be the most important factor in any hardwordking environment.

Blacks seem less prominent in finesse sports. Golfing, baseball, soccer.
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Desmond on January 26, 2016, 10:25:53 AM
If Negroids are physically superior, and mentally equal (as I am told), then they are the Supreme race.

The literal ubermensch.
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: rum on January 26, 2016, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: rum
Considering that American blacks were selectively bred for strength and endurance during slaves times it's somewhat surprising that they aren't monolithically dominant in all sports. They don't appear to have any great size advantage on whites, though they do on other nonblack groups:


If blacks were truly bred for those traits, then surely American blacks descended from slaves would be physically superior to plain old African blacks, right?


I'm assuming they were, but it's possible they weren't. Even if they were, though, the point of that comment is that they don't have a great size advantage on whites and I'm skeptical of the claims that they are all-around athletically superior to whites, most especially when it comes to team sports.
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Paul FHC on January 26, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
I've uncovered the secret to black athletic success!

Their diet!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K624JM_PpTg[/youtube]
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Paul FHC on January 26, 2016, 09:42:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K624JM_PpTg
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2016, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: Desmond
If Negroids are physically superior, and mentally equal (as I am told), then they are the Supreme race.

The literal ubermensch.

A friend of mine has been working with a number of blacks for many years, and when he asked one of them about health issues, the older black man told him that "We have all the worst health problems."  He said that as he gets older, he expects to face the specter of many diseases and health challenges as a black man that whites generally don't, or if they do, it's not as severe.

Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2016, 09:53:24 PM
Quote from: Paul FHC

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/K624JM_PpTg[/youtube]

[Audio:  How many a y'all mama been good, she cook-dat collard greens, fat back meat, cornbread, two biscuit biscuit wid' a corn on da cob.]

Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: OHCA on January 26, 2016, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Paul FHC

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/K624JM_PpTg[/youtube]

[Audio:  How many a y'all mama been good, she cook-dat collard greens, fat back meat, cornbread, two biscuit biscuit wid' a corn on da cob.]



Is that Poche?
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2016, 10:34:12 PM
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I have to be honest here;  I had NO IDEA what the audio was until I read the comments on the video page.  I played it over and watched the words, and then I made a few minor corrections.  But I missed one:  there should be "and" before "two biscuit biscuit..." instead of the comma after "cornbread."

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Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Paul FHC on January 28, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
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I have to be honest here;  I had NO IDEA what the audio was until I read the comments on the video page.  I played it over and watched the words, and then I made a few minor corrections.  But I missed one:  there should be "and" before "two biscuit biscuit..." instead of the comma after "cornbread."

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You would be lying if you told me that you didn't absolutely die after he said "fatback meat."
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 30, 2016, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: Paul FHC
Quote from: Neil Obstat

I have to be honest here;  I had NO IDEA what the audio was until I read the comments on the video page.  I played it over and watched the words, and then I made a few minor corrections.  But I missed one:  there should be "and" before "two biscuit biscuit..." instead of the comma after "cornbread."


You would be lying if you told me that you didn't absolutely die after he said "fatback meat."


Actually, when I first viewed the clip I did not understand the words "fat back meat" (or most of the other words except "mama" and "corn on the cob").  So it couldn't be funny when you don't know what he said.  Then when I read the comments and the one post where someone wrote out the words, by that time the punch of the joke was gone (jokes aren't funny if you have to work at the humor).
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 30, 2016, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Desmond
If Negroids are physically superior, and mentally equal (as I am told), then they are the Supreme race.

The literal ubermensch.

A friend of mine has been working with a number of blacks for many years, and when he asked one of them about health issues, the older black man told him that "We have all the worst health problems."  He said that as he gets older, he expects to face the specter of many diseases and health challenges as a black man that whites generally don't, or if they do, it's not as severe.


I just saw a commercial from CircleOfPromise.org, where they claim that 70% of black women do not survive breast cancer as well as do non-black women.

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Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: MrYeZe on February 01, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
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If Negroids are physically superior, and mentally equal (as I am told), then they are the Supreme race.

The literal ubermensch


Sickle cell would beg to differ, mate.
Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: Graham on February 02, 2016, 08:43:27 AM
http://www.toqonline.com/blog/the-racial-caste-system-in-sports/

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A website has been created to docuмent discrimination against and negative stereotyping of white athletes. It’s titled appropriately: Caste Football (www.castefootball.us). Owned and operated by Don Wassall, who is Editor of The Nationalist Times monthly newspaper and executive director of the American Nationalist Union, Caste Football has become a clearinghouse for information regarding anti-white bias in American football and the rest of the sports world.

The initial emphasis of Caste Football was on American professional and major collegiate football, but the same anti-white bias is seen in nearly all forms of athletics. And while some sports such as baseball remain doggedly white-dominated (despite Major League Baseball’s infatuation with Hispanics), football has become much more popular and long ago surpassed baseball as “America’s pastime.”

Football is more than just a multi-billion dollar industry. It has become a quasi-state religion, with millions of members worshipping every Sunday in state built “temples” and spending the rest of the week in deep emotional involvement with the game. With high television ratings for games, super-sized ratings for the Super Bowl, and non-stop fawning print and electronic media coverage of every angle of the sport, the country is awash in football 24 hours a day, not only during the increasingly long seasons but year round thanks to the rise of the NFL Network and other corporate media outlets devoted to promoting America’s secular religion.

And the powers that be have made football a showcase for black athletic ability. They have changed the rules to favor things that blacks do well; they have ignored talented and deserving white players; and, like everything else in American public life that involves race, they refuse to discuss what is happening openly and honestly.

Consider this: in high school football, all-white or predominantly white suburban and rural teams regularly defeat their all-black and predominantly black urban opponents. This is a matter of record. Anyone involved with prep sports knows this to be true. When an all-white school meets an all-black school, the all-white school will usually win. They win with running backs that gain more yards, with receivers that catch more touchdowns, with cornerbacks that intercept more passes. When the statistics are totaled at the end of the year, the white running backs and receivers playing at the same level as the black ones do just as well. When the kids are timed and tested on their physical performance and attributes, the results are usually about the same. Thus white players win games, accuмulate similar gaudy statistics, and test the same in standard drills.

Title: Black Athletic Superiority?
Post by: rum on February 02, 2016, 10:17:10 AM
Ah, yes I used to read that guy's website. I'll have to take another look.

That article was interesting and reminds me that you do still see all-white teams compete against all-black teams at the high school level, and the notorious defeats of USA basketball at the hands of all-white European teams.

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Affirmative action makes many whites skeptical of the qualifications of black doctors or lawyers, for under affirmative action, even highly talented non-whites are often promoted into positions above their level of competence. But the very same whites are not skeptical of the qualifications of black professional athletes. And when blacks are massively overrepresented on sports teams, whites are wont to think that, since professional sports is a meritocracy, blacks simply must be superior athletes. Even those Whites who believe in genetic determinism and racial differences, and thus reject racial egalitarianism and affirmative action, often embrace black athletic superiority because it affirms their underlying worldview and gives them an opportunity to sincerely praise non-whites.


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Consider this: in high school football, all-white or predominantly white suburban and rural teams regularly defeat their all-black and predominantly black urban opponents. This is a matter of record. Anyone involved with prep sports knows this to be true. When an all-white school meets an all-black school, the all-white school will usually win. They win with running backs that gain more yards, with receivers that catch more touchdowns, with cornerbacks that intercept more passes. When the statistics are totaled at the end of the year, the white running backs and receivers playing at the same level as the black ones do just as well. When the kids are timed and tested on their physical performance and attributes, the results are usually about the same. Thus white players win games, accuмulate similar gaudy statistics, and test the same in standard drills.
Yet what happens when the big colleges start looking for players?
The colleges aggressively recruit black players and ignore white ones. No amount of success by a white running back in high school will get him a scholarship offer to play at a big Division I-A program, which feed the NFL nearly all of its players. The Caste Football website has chronicled many instances of white players who were told flat-out they were the wrong race to play a position in college, as such admissions sometimes make it through media censorship and into print. Such racial prejudices against blacks would, of course, result in media outrage and government intervention.


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In boxing for example, most of the top fighters are white. Whites currently hold 12 championship belts out of a total of 20 from the middleweight division up. The heavyweight division especially is dominated by white fighters from Eastern Europe. You will never hear the mainstream press report on the white domination of boxing. Wladimir Klitschko, the heavyweight champion from Ukraine, routinely destroys one American “Great Black Hope” after another, which the corporate media greets with a collective yawn. The only discussion of the domination of white boxers focuses on how “bad” the heavyweight division is (because no American blacks are able to compete).
The Olympic decathlon winner is generally considered the best all-round athlete in the world. That person is nearly always white. Frequently all the top decathletes are white. Yet this fact never seems to seep into the consciousness of a society shaped by movies like White Men Can’t Jump.


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There are also many sports where only whites succeed. Hockey is perhaps the best-known example, but swimming, gymnastics, powerlifting, and wrestling, to name a few, are virtually all-white endeavors, even though every urban area has ice rinks, swimming pools, and gyms. Even in an area where blacks are said to have genetic advantages such as short sprinting, whites compete, and some white runners, such as Jeremy Wariner in the 400-meters, are the world’s best.