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Offline Matthew

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« on: June 01, 2011, 12:33:40 AM »
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  • I apologize for not sharing this with you sooner --

    I found out about it late enough as it is.

    Quick overview of what it is:
    http://www.weusecoins.com

    Forum all about it:
    http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php

    Basically it's an electronic, peer-to-peer currency that is totally decentralized and "can't be shut down" since there's no central location like with Paypal and most other "payment systems".

    But the Bitcoins themselves are "mined" by average people with good computers and gamers' graphics cards.

    I am mining myself right now -- but I'll admit I'm a bit of a geek still. I have my geek side. Every hour my PC is on I earn about 20 cents (USD). And that's AFTER I subtract the cost of electricity.

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    « Reply #1 on: June 01, 2011, 12:37:04 AM »
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  • The value of a bitcoin is currently $9.00, and I'll admit it feels like I'm buying tech stocks in 2000, or houses in 2007. But it's fun while it lasts!

    It's fun for geeks because it makes money, and involves tweaking computer hardware and software, trying to get the most "MHash/s" which is a measure of how fast you earn bitcoins.

    Besides the geek aspect, the economic aspect is interesting as well. They will mint a finite number of Bitcoins, at a set rate. If too many are created in a week, they up the "difficulty" and make it harder to earn money. But then the market value of bitcoins tends to go up a bit...

    Anyhow, it's interesting. I thought I'd throw it out there. If anyone has a good gamers' video card (ATI specifically -- NVidia cards don't do so well) you might be able to earn some cash.

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    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 11:45:52 PM »
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  • Remember when I said a Bitcoin was worth $9?  Well, it's worth $28.50 right now!

    People are buying Bitcoins with the expectation that they will keep climbing in value.

    It's because they're so limited -- I think people like that. Also, they're democratic/anonymous/electronic and all that. I think they appeal more to younger than older people.

    It's quite an interesting "experiment".

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    « Reply #3 on: June 08, 2011, 08:31:05 AM »
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  • So who runs and regulates them? Thats my concern. What gives it value? I believe much of the currency is backed by some sort of commodity, is it not? And I'm suspicious of having to download anything onto my computer... :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 01:37:50 PM »
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  • The de-regulated nature of this is part of the appeal. Your "bank account" isn't stored and controlled by any one place. The information is distributed across the network and anonomously stored on hundreds of different computers.

    You can do a small amount with bitcoins without having anything on your computer. The main currency exchange between bitcoins and US dollars will let you keep the bitcoins in your account with them. So, if you don't want to "take possession" of your coins, you don't need to load anything on your own computer. You can probably transfer straight from there if you want to spend them too, but most people keep coins in their own "wallet" on their computer.

    It's an interesting thing to watch on many levels.
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    « Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 01:47:25 PM »
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  • MD- interesting, yes, but this (from wikipedia) is the sort of thing I would see happening as well...

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    Proposed failure scenarios for Bitcoin include a currency devaluation, a declining user base, or a global governmental crackdown on the software. Succession to another similar cryptocurrency system is also possible, if a new one were to be created and considered to be more legitimate (e.g., backed by a large tech company or institution) or advantageous over Bitcoin in its current form (e.g., more scalable or user-friendly). It may not be possible to "ban all crypto-cash like Bitcoin."[12]
    In an Irish Times investigative article Danny O'Brien reported "When I show people this Bitcoin economy, they ask: 'Is this legal?' They ask: 'Is it a con?' I imagine there are lawyers and economists struggling to answer both questions. I suspect you will be able to add lawmakers to that list shortly."


    Unfortunately, the idea is great, but I don't see Zionists who have the power to illegalize/ regulate/ stop this not unfortunately.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 09, 2011, 09:10:22 AM »
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  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_currency


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    "The United States Mint is the only entity that can produce coins," Bailey says.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-09-14-liberty-usat_x.htm

    ...and the Federal Reserve tribe has to agree to that.  :wink:

    Even bartering is technically illegal, btw, comes under that "interstate commerce" clause that the fed government will fall back on to make any independent activities by citizens, that they want to be illegal.

    Can the bitcoins be considered "coupons"?


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    « Reply #7 on: June 09, 2011, 11:16:51 AM »
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  • It's very international. The main exchange between USD and bitcoins is run by a Japanese businessman. (Bitcoins were "invented" in Japan) I read on their forums that as far as his business is concerned, in trying to comply with Japanese law, bitcoins are treated as a security, not a currency.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 09, 2011, 11:20:02 AM »
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  • My interest in bitcoins conflicts with my interest in frugality. While there may be a few things I can buy with bitcoins to support the system, it almost certainly won't be the lowest price for said item.  :smirk:
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    « Reply #9 on: June 09, 2011, 11:26:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    My interest in bitcoins conflicts with my interest in frugality. While there may be a few things I can buy with bitcoins to support the system, it almost certainly won't be the lowest price for said item.  :smirk:


    But, if like Matt said, you are able to mine them and make a profit, it probably is very frugal.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 09, 2011, 09:01:58 PM »
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  • this is intersting matthew and mater! i dont work right now so this good way for me to make money

    how much will this graphioc card make me?

    nvidia 9600m gs 1gb


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    « Reply #11 on: June 09, 2011, 09:38:34 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, there are 2 main types of video cards and for the purposes of mining, Nvidia are about 10x less efficient than ATI cards.
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    « Reply #12 on: June 09, 2011, 09:41:50 PM »
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  • At the current bitcoin market rate, your card would get you about 15-20 cents per day. That's after paying for electricity.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 09, 2011, 09:46:40 PM »
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  • I couldn't find your exact graphics card in the "list", but several that began with 9600 got between 15-19 MH/s.
    That's .032 bitcoins a day, or 96 cents a day. After electricity is taken out, you have about 64 cents a day.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 10, 2011, 01:20:52 PM »
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  • thank for thwe calculations mater and matthew. 19 dollar and 20 cents a month can buy me 19 packages of circus peanut from cvs!!