Author Topic: Bit Dude X is Clearly a Troll... (Read 3101 times)

BTNYC · « **on:** April 02, 2014, 09:30:13 AM »

...and should be banned.

His post history speaks for itself. If Icterus deserved to be banned (and he did), this Schoepenhauer-adoring troll certainly does too. At least Icterus was reasonably articulate (though not the intellectual he believed himself to be by any stretch of the imagination).

He is arrogant and hostile to other posters, is not a Traditional Catholic and shows no indication of being open to becoming one.

Cantarella · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2014, 10:07:55 AM »

No doubt he is a troll and a very juvenile one :rolleyes:

I chose to totally ignore him long time ago since his contributions are not even worth a response but I agree that maybe he's better off banned.

BitDudeX · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2014, 10:10:25 AM »

Quote from: BTNYC

...and should be banned.

His post history speaks for itself. If Icterus deserved to be banned (and he did), this Schoepenhauer-adoring troll certainly does too. At least Icterus was reasonably articulate (though not the intellectual he believed himself to be by any stretch of the imagination).

He is arrogant and hostile to other posters, is not a Traditional Catholic and shows no indication of being open to becoming one.

>is not a Traditional Catholic and shows no indication of being open to becoming one.

Really? I'm not a traditional catholic? What the hell?

Just because I don't subscribe to authoritarian beliefs like some of you guys do?

BTNYC · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2014, 10:35:15 AM »

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...and should be banned.

His post history speaks for itself. If Icterus deserved to be banned (and he did), this Schoepenhauer-adoring troll certainly does too. At least Icterus was reasonably articulate (though not the intellectual he believed himself to be by any stretch of the imagination).

He is arrogant and hostile to other posters, is not a Traditional Catholic and shows no indication of being open to becoming one.

>is not a Traditional Catholic and shows no indication of being open to becoming one.

Really? I'm not a traditional catholic? What the hell?

Just because I don't subscribe to authoritarian beliefs like some of you guys do?

Yes. Catholicism is authoritarian. You're a faux-trad hipster git.

You're also a fatuous, churlish modernist and you don't belong here.

You will fit right in at Fisheaters. Go there and stop wasting our time with your infantile attempts to synthesize your modernist egalitarian errors with a barely-there aesthetic devotion to smells and bells masquerading as "traditional Catholicism."

Go on. Vox and her coven are waiting with open, tattooed arms.

BitDudeX · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2014, 10:38:23 AM »

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...and should be banned.

His post history speaks for itself. If Icterus deserved to be banned (and he did), this Schoepenhauer-adoring troll certainly does too. At least Icterus was reasonably articulate (though not the intellectual he believed himself to be by any stretch of the imagination).

He is arrogant and hostile to other posters, is not a Traditional Catholic and shows no indication of being open to becoming one.

>is not a Traditional Catholic and shows no indication of being open to becoming one.

Really? I'm not a traditional catholic? What the hell?

Just because I don't subscribe to authoritarian beliefs like some of you guys do?

Yes. Catholicism is authoritarian. You're a faux-trad hipster git.

You're also a fatuous, churlish modernist and you don't belong here.

You will fit right in at Fisheaters. Go there and stop wasting our time with your infantile attempts to synthesize your modernist egalitarian errors with a barely-there aesthetic devotion to smells and bells masquerading as "traditional Catholicism."

Go on. Vox and her coven are waiting with open, tattooed arms.

> You're a faux-trad hipster git.

damn son nice buzzword you got there

>You're also a fatuous, churlish modernist and you don't belong here.

srsly??? lmao

>You will fit right in at Fisheaters
I doubt it.

>your modernist egalitarian errors with a barely-there aesthetic devotion to smells and bells masquerading as "traditional Catholicism."

EGALITARIAN? Are you insane? I'm not egalitarian. How does believing in absolute property rights make me an egalitarian/modernist/anti-catholic/etc???

SenzaDubbio · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2014, 11:11:14 AM »

I actually don't know enough about BitDudeX, and prefer to remain indifferent. I retract my last post.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2014, 11:50:28 AM »

Bitdude is young. I do give allowance for a tad less maturity, knowledge, experience, insight, wisdom, etc. from the young'uns.

However, Bitdude does need to watch his language. This is CathInfo, a traditional Catholic forum, not 4chan or some random non-Catholic forum where people routinely use cuss words.

Now I do believe we should be free to discuss ideas here without fear of being burned at the stake. Many young people especially see the messed-up modern world and are looking for answers. Shooting them down with "heretic!" is not the way to go about teaching them.

If someone is in error, show them their error. The person might be stubborn as a mule but 99% of the readers who will read the thread (including countless Guests) will side with you, if you are more reasonable and can back up your arguments.

Don't become obsessive about convincing the one in error -- they are usually too stubborn. It's a good sacrifice to offer up (letting them have the last word, etc.)

BitDudeX · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2014, 12:16:37 PM »

I just wish someone would answer some of my questions here without always going "hurr hurr the church said so"

Isn't that a logical fallacy? Isn't that an appeal to authority.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2014, 12:35:34 PM »

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I actually don't know enough about BitDudeX, and prefer to remain indifferent. I retract my last post.

read his posts.

Heck, just read his comments in this thread alone. "Logical fallacy" that Church teaching is not enough? What does that tell you?

I almost fell for the bait and came this close to responding in another thread last night. TG20 exposed his thinking and it's quite eye opening.
He is either an inadvertant troll - holding fast to libertarianism (one of the heresies of Americanism) and arguing in ignorance - or he's a plant and deliberately trashing Church teaching.
His obstinancy is common among Catholics who consider themselves conservative or libertarian. They are well schooled in Austrian economics and woefully uneducated in the Faith. When someone tries to point out the error of their thinking in the light of the Faith, they dig in and refuse to listen. Pope Leo XIII / Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae and Pope Pius XI / Quadragesimo Anno are correct that Americanism is poison.

Here, Bitcoin guy, if you would like to advance in thought:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13teste.htm
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM

But you will not read them. Your pride rules,, and you are entrenched in it. You will lash out in frustration with pseudo-intellectual modernist comebacks. And we will pray for you. You cannot serve two masters.

BTNYC, good summary commentary btw.

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Don't become obsessive about convincing the one in error -- they are usually too stubborn. It's a good sacrifice to offer up (letting them have the last word, etc.)

+1

BitDudeX · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2014, 12:37:21 PM »

Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta

Quote from: SenzaDubbio
I actually don't know enough about BitDudeX, and prefer to remain indifferent. I retract my last post.

read his posts.

Heck, just read his comments in this thread alone. "Logical fallacy" that Church teaching is not enough? What does that tell you?

I almost fell for the bait and came this close to responding in another thread last night. TG20 exposed his thinking and it's quite eye opening.
He is either an inadvertant troll - holding fast to libertarianism (one of the heresies of Americanism) and arguing in ignorance - or he's a plant and deliberately trashing Church teaching.
His obstinancy is common among Catholics who consider themselves conservative or libertarian. They are well schooled in Austrian economics and woefully uneducated in the Faith. When someone tries to point out the error of their thinking in the light of the Faith, they dig in and refuse to listen. Pope Leo XIII / Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae and Pope Pius XI / Quadragesimo Anno are correct that Americanism is poison.

Here, Bitcoin guy, if you would like to advance in thought:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13teste.htm
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM

But you will not read them. Your pride rules,, and you are entrenched in it. You will lash out in frustration with pseudo-intellectual modernist comebacks. And we will pray for you. You cannot serve two masters.

BTNYC, good summary commentary btw.

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Don't become obsessive about convincing the one in error -- they are usually too stubborn. It's a good sacrifice to offer up (letting them have the last word, etc.)

+1

>Americanism

Are you kidding me? I am anti-americanism.

>Church teaching is not enough? What does that tell you?

It isn't enough though. When you make an assertion you have to back it up with something besides: "THE CHURCH SAID SO LA LA"

I'm not doubting that the church is right, I just can not honestly and truthfully say that I agree with the church's teachings on this subject, and I would like someone to explain to me why I'm wrong with resorting to an appeal to authority.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2014, 12:54:00 PM »

I gave you 2 sources to start with. Did you not see them?
May I suggest that you read them thoroughly and ask the Holy Ghost to inspire you.
I am not your enemy, on the contrary.

Re: your claim that you are anti Americanism - I believe that you believe this, but everything about you - your name, your auto signature,, and most especially your commentary - is libertarian.

You could be mighty soldier and will redirect your passion in the right direction if you properly understand heresies.

(in the interest of full disclosure, I used to be a literal card carrying libertarian and worked for a few campaigns ... I understand better than you may realize)

BitDudeX · « **Reply #11 on:** April 02, 2014, 01:00:28 PM »

Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta

I gave you 2 sources to start with. Did you not see them?
May I suggest that you read them thoroughly and ask the Holy Ghost to inspire you.
I am not your enemy, on the contrary.

Re: your claim that you are anti Americanism - I believe that you believe this, but everything about you - your name, your auto signature,, and most especially your commentary - is libertarian.

You could be mighty soldier and will redirect your passion in the right direction if you properly understand heresies.

(in the interest of full disclosure, I used to be a literal card carrying libertarian and worked for a few campaigns ... I understand better than you may realize)

I am reading the two links that you gave me. Thank you.

How is libertarianism americanism? Americanism is essentially collectivism(all that my nation is the best stuff) while libertarianism is the polar opposite of collectivism(though some people in the mises institute do act like its a cult)

BTNYC · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2014, 01:05:08 PM »

If an example from a genuinely Catholic culture counts for anything:

In a traditional Maltese household (I'm thinking of my grandfather and his generation) the children sat at their own table and kept quiet while the adults were talking.

An inquisitive child who knew his place and remembered his manners could ask to speak but always deferred to his elders and listened when they reproved him. He certainly didn't become haughty and sarcastic when faced with reproval.

Petulant children very soon learned their lesson in the expensive school of experience (Maltese households were not democracies). They were not permitted to disrupt a serious discussion among adults with their selfish, whiny, twaddling nonsense. Their nonsense was not dignified with a serious rebuttal because selfish, twaddling, childish nonsense neither seeks nor deserves a rebuttal. They were simply made to sit down at the kiddie table and shut up because permitting them to continue would create a chaotic, unpleasant environment.

That's traditional Catholic culture in action - as authoritarian and anti-egalitarian as it gets.

This isn't my forum, but speaking as an adult at the table wherein the discourse takes place, I object to the disruptive presence of this flippant, tantrum throwing child (whose infantility is beyond doubt but whose actual "youth" or lack thereof is a thing we're forced to take on faith - from one who gives every indication of being a troll).

As it is, I'll make use of the "ignore" button, a solution that (because I am not a libertarian) I find to be a paltry recompense for having to shout over the din of yammering, callow iqarqu.

BitDudeX · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2014, 01:13:08 PM »

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If an example from a genuinely Catholic culture counts for anything:

In a traditional Maltese household (I'm thinking of my grandfather and his generation) the children sat at their own table and kept quiet while the adults were talking.

An inquisitive child who knows his place and remembers his manners may ask to speak but always deferred to his elders and listened when they reproved him. He certainly didn't become haughty and sarcastic when faced with reproval.

Petulant children very soon learned their lesson in the expensive school of experience (Maltese households were not democracies). They were not permitted to disrupt a serious discussion among adults with their selfish, whiny, twaddling nonsense. Their nonsense was not dignified with a serious rebuttal because selfish, twaddling, childish nonsense neither seeks nor deserves a rebuttal. They were simply made to sit down at the kiddie table and shut up because permitting them to continue would create a chaotic, unpleasant environment.

That's traditional Catholic culture in action - as authoritarian and anti-egalitarian as it gets.

That's disgusting. Are you calling children selfish?

also

>They were simply made to sit down at the kiddie table and shut up because permitting them to continue would create a chaotic, unpleasant environment.

Who gave the parents the authority to use force against an individual? There was no contract(written or unwritten) involved so I don't really see how it is truly legitimate. The burden of proof is on the authority to prove it's legitimacy. How can we truly know that God gave parents authority over autonomous individuals? (Legitimate question.)

Explain to me how authoritarianism is moral at all? It restricts an individual's choices and decisions. It isn't natural at all.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #14 on:** April 02, 2014, 01:34:40 PM »

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I'm not doubting that the church is right, I just can not honestly and truthfully say that I agree with the church's teachings on this subject, and I would like someone to explain to me why I'm wrong with resorting to an appeal to authority.

I believe you are sincere, but the Church is authoritarian. We are not permitted to "agree" with doctrine or dogma. You may be having a crisis of Faith because you don't understand Her teachings. Take the time to learn. There are many many traditional Catholic resources, even here on this forum.

oh, and yes, children are selfish, that's why parents teach and guide them, or they would only do what serves them, not what is in their best interest.

And it is God who gives the authority to parents to parent, via the example of Jesus himself, in submission to Mary and Joseph. That's an easy one.

Lastly, what is "natural" is natural law. Look it up. Study it well.

These are good examples that you don't have an understanding of Catholic teaching. Please, I implore you, learn the Faith.

Be assured of our prayers.