Author Topic: Bishop Williamson and TAN founder have similar signature (Read 1554 times)

Matthew · « **on:** November 27, 2008, 06:23:34 PM »

Has anyone ever seen Bishop Williamson and Thomas A. Nelson's signatures side by side? They both have the same style -- which isn't surprising, since they have the same basic personality type. I knew both men very well -- as in, weekly or daily contact for years on end.

The signature of +W, below, isn't exactly a perfect example -- I'd like to find another one. Usually there is much more of a similarity.

Matthew

Dawn · « **Reply #1 on:** November 28, 2008, 09:28:10 AM »

Bishop Williamson is a man I admire. I think a little research on your part is called for. I think you will indeed be surprised to find out just who is excommunicated and who is not.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** November 28, 2008, 09:33:07 AM »

I agree!

Passing Soul, I think you took a wrong turn a few hundred miles back -- you were headed for "Catholic Answers" or "Catholic.org" and you ended up here in "traditional Catholic" land by mistake.

What brought you to Cathinfo, exactly? You aren't traditional, and you have no interest in anything you wouldn't find on CNN (anything non-"mainstream") So WHY exactly are you here?

Unless you're a troll, I can't fathom why you enjoy your stay here.

Seriously.

Matthew

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** November 28, 2008, 10:38:31 AM »

We are the true Catholics. The Catholic faith does not change, sorry.

YOU are the one who preaches a new religion of false ecuмenism, pluralism, and man-centered worship not unlike that of Luther.

Please explain to us how you have more in common with the Saints of old than we do. How come most 17 year old MEN stop going to the Novus Ordo? Perhaps because there's nothing there, it's too feminine? I've not just read about that, I've actually seen plenty of cases personally! It's a wishy-washy, childish religion that has no drawing power.

Vatican II and the Novus Ordo broke with tradition, not us.

The traditional Catholic Faith is what converted men in the past, including all nationalities, with its aura of truth. Now the Church leaders say that men don't need to be converted. What religion are they preaching? Certainly not the Catholic one.

I recommend you read your history. Especially the history of how England became a protestant nation. The moves Cranmer made to "protestantize" the Mass are almost EXACTLY what happened to the Mass after Vatican II! Bet you didn't know that.

Also Google "The anti-liturgical heresy" by Dom Gueranger.

http://www.sspxseminary.org/apologetics/crisis/New_Mass/antigy.shtml

The official stance of this message board is the SSPX position. All other positions are merely TOLERATED so don't be making uncharitable comments, rash judgments, etc. about the group that the site owner champions.

Matthew

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** November 28, 2008, 11:04:42 AM »

Yes, we are Catholic. Faithful Catholics who won't change our religion to make the modern world happy.

Matthew

TheD · « **Reply #5 on:** November 28, 2008, 12:02:07 PM »

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If you have your own sheep, then very well, but don't let your light be a beacon to other sheep that belong to another Sheppard.
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What do you mean by this? There is only one Church, outside of which there is NO salvation. Our light is meant to be a beacon for the whole world.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** November 28, 2008, 12:27:59 PM »

The poor, deluded man thinks that we are not part of the Church.

The evidence against his assertion is so great, which is why the fact he ignores it boggles the mind.

When someone is determined not to believe something (the Church is in crisis, the US government conspired to kill 3,000 people in the Twin Towers on 9/11/01, Jesus is the Son of God, etc.) there is nothing you can say to convince them.

Even MIRACLES will be ignored, when someone is stubbornly clinging to a different worldview. Look at how the Jєωs didn't follow Christ, even when he rose Lazarus from the dead (he had been dead for 7 days, and was already decaying in his tomb!) What did the Jєωs do in the face of this compelling evidence? They conspired to kill Lazarus AND Jesus!

Blind stubbornness. It's a common trait of human nature.

That is one thing I've learned in my short experience.

Matthew

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** November 28, 2008, 12:36:12 PM »

Speaking of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, I am now on pg 72 of G Potter's After The Boston Heresy Case. A review will be filed under Heresy Of Fr Feeney? when finished.

trent13 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 28, 2008, 12:49:31 PM »

[/quote]If you have your own sheep, then very well, but don't let your light be a beacon to other sheep that belong to another Sheppard.
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What do you mean by this? There is only one Church, outside of which there is NO salvation. Our light is meant to be a beacon for the whole world.

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Yeah - there is one sheep and one shepherd and if YOU were a true Catholic not only would you know that, you also wouldn't say that it was very well for traditional Catholics to "have our own sheep [beliefs]" - as a true Catholic I don't consider it fine and dandy that all the protestants believe what they believe and really if they started calling themselves traditional Catholics I should just think it weird and it didn't make sense. Anyone with an ounce of sense looks into things before they get into them and would soon enough find out what it was about... obviously you didn't so perhaps that is why you would think that others need to be "warned" about a forum that is so overtly traditional in direction.

I suppose though that if you do have such a big issue with traditionalism (most people in the Novus Ordo don't know about it at all) it could be construed as a good thing. Hate is a lot closer to love then indifference. Anyhow, I think that you need to do more research and pray more and assuming that you have the objective search for the truth and you are entirely sincere in your perseverance of the true faith, you will become traditional in time... although it is quite evident that conversion is the diametrical opposite of what you desire at this point.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** November 28, 2008, 12:54:29 PM »

True -- if he really despised us, he wouldn't get so worked up about it.

Apparently a part of what we say hits close to home, and he knows it -- hence the passionate anger that wells up as he pushes away the logical conclusions that he must embrace.

I'm very indifferent to some things, and don't waste any time on them. However, other things that part of me is attracted to (such as TV) I have to keep a hatred for, or I might fall back into it.

Likewise we all have to stoke a hatred for sin in our souls, because part of our nature LOVES SIN -- since we all have concupiscence because of Original Sin. So if we try to be "indifferent" to sin, we will fall into it. We have to intensely hate it, as part of a defense mechanism of sorts.

Very interesting point.

Matthew

clare · « **Reply #10 on:** November 28, 2008, 04:53:48 PM »

Quote from: ChantCd

Has anyone ever seen Bishop Williamson and Thomas A. Nelson's signatures side by side?

Isn't Bishop Williamson's middle name "Nelson" too?